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Cashmere - Feb 01, 2005 6:04:15 pm PST #3041 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Seriously? Because I have a great relationship with my parents, but I have never kissed either one on the mouth. For the idea not to squick me, it would have to be a very young baby.

I'm not saying EVERYONE squicked by mouth kissing has crappy relationships with their parents. But it has a lot to do with the traditions in your family. My husbands family NEVER kisses each other on the mouth. We do. It's not like we're French kissing--just pecks on the mouth.

It's a deeply complex issue, as I've found.


Betsy HP - Feb 01, 2005 6:04:49 pm PST #3042 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

I kiss babies on the mouth; at some point when my kids were growing up, we shifted to cheeks.


DavidS - Feb 01, 2005 6:08:50 pm PST #3043 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Played back in slo-mo, it looked like squicky opened mouth kisses, and someone called the cops.

Thing is, babies will slip you the tongue. Because even if you know the socialized boundaries - they don't. But that's so freakin' wrong to have called the cops, because babies are always crossing that boundary. Emmett (infant, less than a year old) would tub with me, and he had no problem with grabbing me by the scrotum. (I had plenty of problems with it, of course.) They do stuff like that all the time. That's the thing you learn as a parent - there is intense physical intimacy that is NOT sexual.


Cashmere - Feb 01, 2005 6:08:56 pm PST #3044 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

I'm totally curious about kissing now and how the custom originated. I mean, it has to have developed somewhere along the evolutionary line from some practical application (mothers feeding their babies pre-chewed food, etc. which DOES squick me). Then it became a sexualized custom for certain situations but not others.

I just need to avoid Freud.


DavidS - Feb 01, 2005 6:10:00 pm PST #3045 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm totally curious about kissing now and how the custom originated.

In China it was considered absolutely barbaric. Tantamount to cannabalism because you were tasting somebody else. It's totally cultural.


Alibelle - Feb 01, 2005 6:10:38 pm PST #3046 of 10002
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan

Um, eww. How do you "accidentally" slip someone some tongue? It's pretty easy to keep one's tongue inside one's mouth. Unless she kissed him when his mouth was already open, in which case, that's kind of her fault. I don't think that's something to blame on the family, in any case.

ETA: In response to Jesse's kissing groom story.

Or, you know

Seriously? Because I have a great relationship with my parents, but I have never kissed either one on the mouth. For the idea not to squick me, it would have to be a very young baby.

Me three.


Allyson - Feb 01, 2005 6:11:05 pm PST #3047 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

My husbands family NEVER kisses each other on the mouth. We do. It's not like we're French kissing--just pecks on the mouth.

My father always kissed me on the mouth, and still does. My mother never did. Nothing about it squicks me. I think he probably kisses my nephew on the mouth, too. But it's such a normal thing I've never noticed.

My dad never got weirdly cold when I hit puberty, either. I've heard some dads do. That makes me sad.


Allyson - Feb 01, 2005 6:12:56 pm PST #3048 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm totally curious about kissing now and how the custom originated

I think it was likely all about mothers chewing food to make it soft for their babies. But I'm just making that shit up.


Cashmere - Feb 01, 2005 6:15:29 pm PST #3049 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Emmett (infant, less than a year old) would tub with me, and he had no problem with grabbing me by the scrotum. (I had plenty of problems with it, of course.) They do stuff like that all the time. That's the thing you learn as a parent - there is intense physical intimacy that is NOT sexual.

Persactly! Also, heh. Owen has recently discovered his newest, favorite tub toy. So now there's this whole thing of "how long is long enough to play with it." Which, I figure it's his, I guess it's his to enjoy.

My dad never got weirdly cold when I hit puberty, either. I've heard some dads do. That makes me sad.

I saw my father in law go apeshit over the fact that my sister in law (who was 10 years old at the time) was wearing a long t-shirt to sleep in. He freaked out and demanded she go put on a pair of short. Dude, the t-shirt was down to her freakin' knees!

He was an only child of an only child who was adopted by elderly, strict, Old-World Germans (who didn't celebrate Christmas).

I ran around in t-shirt and underwear in the house until I was 14. My dad regularly made the trip down the hall to the bathroom in his BVD's. We're just more open about that kind of thing.


Jesse - Feb 01, 2005 6:16:06 pm PST #3050 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Um, eww. How do you "accidentally" slip someone some tongue? It's pretty easy to keep one's tongue inside one's mouth. Unless she kissed him when his mouth was already open, in which case, that's kind of her fault. I don't think that's something to blame on the family, in any case.

He just had no experience with non-sexual kissing. At all. He realized he was doing it, just a second too late. And was, of course, mortified.