May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Natter 32 Flavors and Then Some  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Thomash - Jan 28, 2005 12:10:26 pm PST #1801 of 10002
I have a plan.

That's it, it's official. I'm now an Arizonan (again). My car is registered and my license is brand new. And get this, it doesn't expire until 2034!

Go Cats!


Lyra Jane - Jan 28, 2005 12:16:12 pm PST #1802 of 10002
Up with the sun

The fun thing about reading the recent whitefont here, as someone who watches ER maybe twice a season, is having it confirmed that it really is a soap -- I missed 99 percent of the arcs mentioned, and the show STILL makes sense when I turn it on. (I am mildly sad to read about some of the deaths, though. They killed Carter's baby with the African woman?)

I don't ask for too much reality on serial TV.


Kathy A - Jan 28, 2005 12:28:40 pm PST #1803 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Allyson's link makes me worried, not because I'm a smoker, but I'm afraid that if they make smoking a legitimate excuse not to hire someone, what will stop them from moving onto the obese? Or the diabetic? Or the asthmatic? Not that they hire too many obese people now anyway, but at least it's not a legally permitted bar to hiring.


Allyson - Jan 28, 2005 12:30:01 pm PST #1804 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm an obese smoker. I am so totally screwed.


Vortex - Jan 28, 2005 12:30:41 pm PST #1805 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

the problem is people that you've already hired. for example, I am clinically obese according to some charts. However, I can count on one hand the number of times that I've been to the doctor in the past year. I know skinny people with more health problems than me.


§ ita § - Jan 28, 2005 12:34:22 pm PST #1806 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I know skinny people with more health problems than me.

Pointing fingers is RUDE.


Kathy A - Jan 28, 2005 12:36:12 pm PST #1807 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I know it, Vortex! Out of my coworkers just in my aisle, and not including absences due to families' illinesses (which was quite a few for the past year for everyone else except for me), one slender lady was out for over a month with a back problem, my boss has a chronic heart condition, and another was out for a few weeks with migraines. But, if the average person took a look at everyone in the aisle, they would most likely pick me out as the highest absentee due to illness just because of my weight. Instead, I was the only one out of the group to lose sick/vacation days at the end of the year because I ddn't take them all.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 28, 2005 12:37:15 pm PST #1808 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Have they factored the costs of retaliatory workplace arson into these "forcing employees to quit smoking will save money" scenarios?


Allyson - Jan 28, 2005 12:37:23 pm PST #1809 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yeah. But do I want to work here for the rest of my life? The rest of the year?

They start firing people for obesity, and my workplace would be but good and empty, starting from the execs down.


beth b - Jan 28, 2005 12:41:33 pm PST #1810 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I'm not sure I need to punished for my genetics. ( You don't get diabetes if it isn't in the genes- unless you lose or damage your pancreas)

or that someone needs to be fired for non-work habits /ways of living that don't effect productivity.

I've always been very healthy. this year I was sick for a month and a half. I missed 4 days of work. Mostly trying to keep my germs home.

I just reread Vortex's post. Even with being that sick and diabetes I have been to the doctor 6 times this year(2004). 3 were regular planned checkups.

I am more expensive than I used to be, but not nearly as expensive as other people I know that don't have chronic diseases, but just happen to get sick a lot.