Okay, um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm angry, and I'm armed, so if you two have something that you need to work out --

Mal ,'War Stories'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Kevin - Jun 28, 2007 2:20:22 pm PDT #9660 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Theoretical question only: if direct-to-DVD of two 'movies' was made following two different sets of Serenifly characters, would people dig that?


Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2007 2:21:45 pm PDT #9661 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Wash in the Underworld?


quester - Jun 28, 2007 5:09:59 pm PDT #9662 of 10001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I still want to know why Wash had to die. That was the most crushing blow I've ever felt watching a movie.

still not over it


Beverly - Jun 28, 2007 5:51:45 pm PDT #9663 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Me neither, quester. In fact, in my fandom, Wash lives. Still flying. Can't keep the Wash from me.


libkitty - Jun 28, 2007 8:57:40 pm PDT #9664 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Theoretical question only: if direct-to-DVD of two 'movies' was made following two different sets of Serenifly characters, would people dig that?

If it has Joss and/or Tim and our actual actors, not ringers, then abso-frickin-lutely. I had a stronger word there, but apparently I just can't keep that word even after watching The Wire.

I'd really like to get the Inara backstory, but she's not my favorite to watch. I'd love to watch Jayne, but am not so much interested in his backstory, so I think it must be Book. And Wash should be in it. He and Zoe could have a family. Yes, I think that would be nice.


Kevin - Jun 29, 2007 3:24:20 am PDT #9665 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Zoe and Wash having a family together would be kinda gross, given he's all dead and smelly. Although it could be early Peter Jackson style.


Laga - Jun 30, 2007 10:36:06 am PDT #9666 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'd kill for the Book backstory.

My heart is broken for Wash but I do feel that his death contributed to the film. I think if he hadn't died I would have been pretty sure everyone would get out OK and everything would get wrapped up neatly. After his death I had no freaking clue what was going to happen.


libkitty - Jul 01, 2007 5:15:25 pm PDT #9667 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Zoe and Wash having a family together would be kinda gross, given he's all dead and smelly.

My heart is broken for Wash but I do feel that his death contributed to the film.

Yes, yes. I may be just a little bit in denial.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 05, 2007 2:41:37 pm PDT #9668 of 10001
What is even happening?

Wash's death detracted from the story for me. He was one of the characters that brought me on board.


Beverly - Jul 05, 2007 2:57:25 pm PDT #9669 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I have gone over and over this, and have come to the conclusion that it's Joss' story and he can do whatever he wants with it, but I'm the consumer, and I choose the point at which I disengage.

Wash's death did contribute to the story Joss was telling. I just didn't realize until credits rolled that Serenity wasn't about Serenity and her crew, it wasn't about Mal and his crew, it wasn't about the ensemble at all. It was about the little girl prevailing against insurmountable odds. It's Joss' theme and I should have remembered that going in. But I was suckered by the Firefly ensemble, and believed that the unit would prevail.

I could accept that A. bitter victory comes at a cost, and B. death is swift and random better if it hadn't been the old guy and the happily married man who died. Simon would have been a better example, since he was ready to give up everything for his sister. Kaylee would have been a better example: young, talented, sweet, how poignant to save one young girl and lose another. Zoe would have been a much more severe blow, as Mal's right hand and Wash's wife.

The old guy seemed like a throwaway, and the happily married guy seemed like a cliche. ETA: Book's part in this story had come to an end, therefore he could be killed off without impacting the story's course, except to compel Mal on revenge. Cheap storytelling. Further, Wash is a pilot, he flies the ship. The minute the ship miraculously touched down, his usefulness was over. He's not a ground fighter, not a soldier like Zoe or Jayne. At that point Wash has exactly the same value as Kaylee, less than either of the warriors or the doctor. It's a cheap death.

To me. Your character death may vary.