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Giles: Stop that, you two. Riley: He started it... Xander: He called me a bad name! I think
it was bad; it might have been Latin.
'Selfless'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Kevin - Oct 31, 2006 10:29:03 am PST #8929 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Laga - Oct 31, 2006 10:36:52 am PST #8930 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Universal are big giant toads.
ION it looks like (as long as I have no problems with my Saturday flight) we will be attending the midnight movie in Chicago.
WindSparrow - Oct 31, 2006 10:56:40 am PST #8931 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.
From reading that, I have learned that there are issues to be raised and points to be made. Maybe they should consider articulating what those issues and points are.
Strega, I'm afraid your comment leaves me unsure as to whether or not you have read only the snippet I C&Ped to respond to P-C, or if you are saying this after reading the whole page from whence I cut it.
ETA: Have fun, Laga!
Strega - Oct 31, 2006 11:23:16 am PST #8932 of 10001
Oh, I read it. They allude to issues and points, but don't actually identify them.
It provides a very simple 'WTF' hook for a wider issue.Not if they don't state clearly what the wider issue is.
Kevin - Oct 31, 2006 11:36:02 am PST #8933 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Strega, did you notice it has links all over the shop?
I have to admit, I haven't objectively read it from the point of view of somebody outside of the fandom.
Allyson - Oct 31, 2006 11:41:47 am PST #8934 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I can't read anything in a justified layout. Is that just me? It freaks my eyes out.
Strega - Oct 31, 2006 12:38:16 pm PST #8935 of 10001
Strega, did you notice it has links all over the shop?I don't know what shop you're talking about. I saw the links at the invoice site. The problem is not that I don't understand the background. The problem is that when I read this:
we thought that asking fans to tally those hours and publishing the totals for all to see would be a gentler way to make both the specific point about Browncoat marketing for Serenity and the more general point about the relationship between producers of entertainment and their increasing (and knowing) reliance in the 21st century on fanbases to help promote that entertainment.
And
We simply believe that issues are raised in this area when a company knowingly has accepted the promotional work of fans.
I think, "And what are they?" I can make some guesses, but when someone's trying to frame an argument, it's a good idea to actually, y'know, state what it is, instead of just alluding to it.
Using "chilling effect" to describe the situation strikes me as a tad over the top as well.
Polter-Cow - Oct 31, 2006 12:56:01 pm PST #8936 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I think, "And what are they?" I can make some guesses, but when someone's trying to frame an argument, it's a good idea to actually, y'know, state what it is, instead of just alluding to it.
Well, the issues could be more well defined, but I think the "points" you cite are...pretty much pointed. Browncoats marketed for Serenity, and there exists a relationship between producers of entertainment and their increasing and knowing reliance on fanbases to help promote that entertainment. I suppose it's not entire clear what that "relationship" is, but the point that said producers relied on fanbase promotion is there.
Strega - Oct 31, 2006 1:32:14 pm PST #8937 of 10001
Browncoats marketed for Serenity, and there exists a relationship between producers of entertainment and their increasing and knowing reliance on fanbases to help promote that entertainment.
Right. ...And? I mean, the implication I get is "And therefore, this isn't fair." I guess? I don't know, because there's a lot of supporting statements, and then no actual thesis. They tell me that they're not arguing against copyrights or trademarks. Swell. What are they arguing for?
Polter-Cow - Oct 31, 2006 1:33:44 pm PST #8938 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Free pizza?