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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


bon bon - Jun 02, 2006 4:23:52 pm PDT #8554 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

As Cindy states, efficient distribution systems create economies of scale which support the creation of expensive product. Without these middlemen diluting the the money stream, there would be no product and we would all be headed to our local playhouse to see a crappy local production with crappy local talent.

Yes, exactly. Well put.

I had more to add here but it's really what's quoted up there. Well, except for one brief pitch for the modern corporate model and markets: the separation of creation, management and ownership allows for big investments like films and TV shows that combine westerns and space opera. It's specialization like that of distributors and artists that allows for people to be full creators, rather than trying to make their own...well, everything.


Strega - Jun 02, 2006 4:24:31 pm PDT #8555 of 10001

How would the creators be able to ask us for money if there's no large-scale way for them to reach their audience? Can they actually raise $50 million in wadded-up ones and fives, in order to produce a season's worth of a low-budget TV show? And how will the audience know whether they want to see the final product before it ever exists? Are the creators going to guarantee refunds to people who don't like it once they've seen it?

It sounds like you're proposing that all TV should work on the PBS model, with pledge drives every few months. But PBS shows get money from corporate sponsors and the gov and god knows where else, in addition to viewer donations.


aurelia - Jun 02, 2006 4:45:52 pm PDT #8556 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

we would all be headed to our local playhouse to see a crappy local production with crappy local talent

Ouch. I think there is still room for live theatre (having different strengths than tv or film) and not all local productions/talent are crappy. >/obligatory defense<


Gus - Jun 02, 2006 4:45:57 pm PDT #8557 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Sure, dogpile on Gus.

The fanbase couldn't even guarantee a decent take at the box office for Serenity...

Up the thread a bit is breakdown of who got paid what for Serenity. It is an object lesson in the failure of the perspective that box-office is the measure of success.

Could the audience have supplied $40M to the production of Serenity? If they had a way to do it? Yes.

How the audience became aware of the project after the mass exposure on TV is another problem. Getting "known" is always a problem.

Someone will always be the mediator of audience attention.

I know I am an idealist. Here is what I know: A system that does not produce more Firefly is broken.


Tamara - Jun 02, 2006 5:18:08 pm PDT #8558 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Sorry, aurelia. I didn't mean to denigrate local theatre.

The point I was trying to make is that without the studio system that is currently in place, we would be left with what is produced locally as that is all that would be accessible.

If you lived in Columbus you would not be able to ever expereince Joss' brilliance.


Tamara - Jun 02, 2006 5:21:43 pm PDT #8559 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

A system that does not produce more Firefly is broken.

But does the fault automatically lie with the studio or distributor? I contend that at the very least an equal amount of fault would lie with the consumer who does not appreciate something like Firefly.

I'm not by any means saying that there isn't plenty of blame all around for Firefly no longer being on my TV, but perhaps you forgot about the 30 million people who want to watch American Idol every week.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. Please don't hurt me.


Gus - Jun 02, 2006 5:32:45 pm PDT #8560 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Oh, there is something wrong with that. Not that you are to blame.

does the fault automatically lie with the studio or distributor...

Well ... yes.


Allyson - Jun 02, 2006 5:59:39 pm PDT #8561 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

he would have to live in L.A. fulltime.

He does live in L.A. fulltime.


Tamara - Jun 02, 2006 6:01:16 pm PDT #8562 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

How is it the studio or distributor's fault if the general public simply doesn't want Firefly? It is entirely possible that it was a show that didn't appeal to a large enough population. That is called taste. Not good taste, but taste nonetheless.


Gus - Jun 02, 2006 6:01:55 pm PDT #8563 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

He does live in L.A. fulltime.

t shudder

What happened to Cape Cod?