I'm not evil again. Why does everyone think that?

Angel ,'Sleeper'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


tiggy - May 31, 2006 10:42:09 am PDT #8536 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

there are pictures of James and Jenna here. (you might need a myspace account to see them.)


libkitty - May 31, 2006 11:19:59 am PDT #8537 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Didn't see Slither, but NF looks so adorably geeky in that picture that I just might have to. He really can change his look quite dramatically, can't he.


Kevin - May 31, 2006 12:18:18 pm PDT #8538 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

He doesn't have that hair in Slither, he's just goofing around.


libkitty - May 31, 2006 2:08:49 pm PDT #8539 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Oh, well.


Ailleann - May 31, 2006 3:46:46 pm PDT #8540 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

But the glasses? GUH.


WindSparrow - May 31, 2006 6:16:33 pm PDT #8541 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I found some adorable LJ icons featuring graphics of various, and by various, I mean 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th Doctors and assorted companions together with quotes from Firefly and Serenity for captions. Oddly, they all seem to fit, and many of them are highly amusing. Here: [link]

x-posty to the Boxed Set thread.


Gus - Jun 02, 2006 1:46:59 pm PDT #8542 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

More about Gus' pet peeve: It is not about distributors making a profit. It is about distributors getting a free ride on the creativity.

I think it is an important issue, so I'll try to make the case.

From the creator perspective, the studios (tv, movie, whatever) have the purse strings. They have the purse strings because they have money to disburse. They have gathered those bux via methods developed over time to predict a revenue stream engendered by the created element.

Part of those methods is editorial acumen, the ability to recognize "good" in a piece, sometimes even when it is not there, yet. Another part is analysis of actual financial performance of similar things. Both arenas are mired in murk.

Editorial acumen is highly subjective. It waxes and wanes within an individual, and if you turn it over to a committee, it disappears altogether into mediocrity.

Financial performance seems to be a hard fact, at first blush, but the causes are just as murky. On the down side ... was the failure in the material (in the editorial acumen, that is), or in the marketing, or in the distribution, or was the audience just being elsewhere for other reasons?

How do we hook the hard fact of "makes money" more directly to the creative process? Giving money to a distributor is many dilutions away from giving it to the creator.

Paying for editorial acumen has value, but only to the extent that the editorial acumen is in alignment with that of the payer.

There, then, is my main point. In Firefly terms, the fanbase could support more creation of Firefly, what with their (our!) editorial acumen being aligned in that fashion. Giving money to a Firefly distributor does nothing now to advance that cause, due to the dilution.

What is needed is audience-to-creator funding. There have been some sketchy attempts to do this, even around Firefly. The right model has not arrived. Pumping more money into the existing model will not cure this.

And that is what I have to say about that. Sorry to be Johnny One Note.


Tamara - Jun 02, 2006 2:58:28 pm PDT #8543 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

There, then, is my main point. In Firefly terms, the fanbase could support more creation of Firefly, what with their (our!) editorial acumen being aligned in that fashion. Giving money to a Firefly distributor does nothing now to advance that cause, due to the dilution.

This is where you are mistaken.

Proving that there is a revenue stream and additional revenue streams associated with something like Firely through alternative distribution methods lets the studio revise estimates on future products.

These revenue stream revisions due to the new distribution methods makes greenlighting similar products more likely.

In this way alternative distributors like iTunes increases the likelihood of Firefly or genre like Firefly being produced in the future.

They totally help creators of quality product and in no way do they hurt them. They may not be paid directly for past creations, but they will be rewarded in the greenlighting of future endeavors.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 02, 2006 3:36:56 pm PDT #8544 of 10001
What is even happening?

I can't see much difference between iTunes and a store, or iTunes and a cinema. I know that's not the best analogy, because iTunes is a delivery mechanism as well as the retailer, but still. Maybe I don't see much difference between iTunes and a pay-per-view exclusive with Comcast, or summat.


Gus - Jun 02, 2006 3:45:05 pm PDT #8545 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

but they will be rewarded in the greenlighting of future endeavors.

You are saying that the financial analysis leg of the studio process will observe the "alternative" sales. This is true, to the extent that money is returned from distributors to the studio. They (the studios) can say "A thing like Firefly does X dollars profit on iPod. We can support a budget for a thing like Firefly to that additional profit amount."

What "like Firefly" means should probably be left up to editorial acumen, or the buyer. The buyer will more likely be correct. The profit returned to the studio, who then steps on it and returns a portion to the creator's budget... if he/she still around ...

All those dilutions offend my sense of economy. The creator wants to make it. The audience wants to fund it. How are all these intermediaries helping?