Occasionally I'm callous and strange.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Gus - May 22, 2006 2:22:53 pm PDT #8460 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Okay. I cop to the sound-bite thing.

Studios. They finance stuff. Distributors do not. iPod is a distributor.


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2006 2:24:49 pm PDT #8461 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

iPod is a machine.


Gus - May 22, 2006 2:28:01 pm PDT #8462 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

iPod is people!

People!


§ ita § - May 22, 2006 2:32:05 pm PDT #8463 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's a point at which one stop shopping is a detriment to the creators and consumers. But since iTunes can make my friend's album almost as accessible as the latest Madonna--and I don't see that as bad. If I had to find his studio, if the responsibility to provide a stable, etc platform for sales instead of being able to leverage iTunes or Amazon, they'd sell fewer copies.

How does that help the band?


Gus - May 22, 2006 2:37:52 pm PDT #8464 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Frankly, I had a small problem parsing that.


§ ita § - May 22, 2006 2:42:31 pm PDT #8465 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Heh. iTunes makes it easy for me to buy my friend's small label album. Just as easy as if I were buying the new Madonna. Without iTunes or Amazon, they'd be much harder to find.

If iTunes makes reaching an audience easier for the little guy, on what do you base your disapproval?


Gus - May 22, 2006 3:04:16 pm PDT #8466 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

If iTunes makes reaching an audience easier for the little guy...

Do they? It would be important, if they did. Find your small-label friend, using terms particular to the content.

I base my disapproval on this: iPod does not give a frack about the content.


Strega - May 22, 2006 3:40:29 pm PDT #8467 of 10001

And DirectTV does?


Gris - May 22, 2006 3:47:32 pm PDT #8468 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Where did you buy your DVDs, Gus? Did you call up Universal/Fox direct and say "Hey guys, I'd like some Firefly DVDs, I'll send you a check, you send 'em to me, kay?" Or did you go through Amazon.com / deepdiscountdvd.com / Best Buy / Tower Records / Barnes and Noble / Borders / whatever?

Those people are distributers. So is Apple. Hell, Apple isn't even overcharging: $1.99 * 14 = $27.86 if you buy one ep at a time, or you can even buy the entire season at once for $25.99. That's $9 less than Amazon.com's price for the DVD set, and $24 dollars less than retail. DVDs are better for us big fans, sure, but most people don't care about commentaries and such, so the Apple thing gives them an easy entry point, cheaper than a week of Starbucks. Of the Apple price, Fox gets a decent cut of that money - more than half, if it's like the music sales - which is reinvested in other Fox products, including other genre/clever TV shows that they'd be less likely to risk without the proven revenue stream of Firefly etc.

Joss and Tim are doing fine, trust me. Nathan et al won't get money from ANY Firefly sales, DVD, Apple, or otherwise - it was never part of their contract, and they don't expect it. If you want to send them money, go for it, but I doubt they'll take it. Doesn't matter anyway - whether we like it or not, the television industry does not currently lend itself to a big independent market, and so the studios are who we need to pay off if we want to get fresh content. And the studios make money from the Apple revenue stream.

On a somewhat unrelated note, if an independent market for television (video podcasts, perhaps) ever does emerge, it will be because of venues like iTunes, that allow basically direct-to-customer sales, or at least a much closer facsimile, just like ita's indie music friend is more likely to be able to make some revenue in the modern, iTMS world. A good band (or even a fairly bad one) can promote themselves with MySpace (see: Mute Math, whom I don't like much myself but are really quite popular considering they've only had one EP released by a major label) and Livejournal, sell their songs direct on iTMS, and never have to give a cent to Warner/Sony/Whoever. That hasn't happened yet with TV, but it COULD, as video processing becomes cheaper and cheaper. And episodic, wide-content distribution channels like iTMS are the only way it will ever happen.

So, basically, step off.


Typo Boy - May 22, 2006 4:36:50 pm PDT #8469 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I actually could make an argument against itunes. Without making the actual argument, the structure would be:

In a better system economic system x, something would be possible with the same technolgy compared to which itunes would suck mightily.

However, under our current system - the one we actually live under and will for quite some time - itunes is probably as good as it gets with that particular technology. I guess I'm a political dualist. A huge difference between what I'd like to see, and what I support given the current choices.

The one thing I would like to see is that France succeed in what it is doing in forcing Apple to provide ipod interoperability with other formats. Don't think France is actually big enough to win against Apple on this one; they will simply pull out of the French market, and the French will buy their Ipods across the border. But in the current political climate it is almost inevitable that this technology would be developed and implemented by an evil monopoly. At least it is in the hands of a technically competent evil monopoly.