Book followed something, for sure.
Spike: At least give me Wesley's office since he's gone. Angel: He's not gone. He's on a leave of absence. Spike: Yeah, right. Boo-hoo. Thought he killed his bloody father. Try staking your mother when she's coming on to you! Harmony: Well…that explains a lot.
'Destiny'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
§ ita § - Dec 10, 2005 8:13:29 pm PST #7383 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Tamara - Dec 10, 2005 8:30:40 pm PST #7384 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
Politics? Who gives a rusty fuck?
Possibly the guy who wrote the movie. *shrug*
Gus - Dec 10, 2005 9:04:25 pm PST #7385 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
I never know what to do about a *shrug*.
Personally, I use a *shrug* when I am out of ideas.
§ ita § - Dec 10, 2005 9:07:53 pm PST #7386 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sometimes people run out of ideas because they're done making their point.
It's a shame to go on past there.
Gus - Dec 10, 2005 9:10:46 pm PST #7387 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
Someone please buy ita a Catwoman suit.
Gus - Dec 10, 2005 11:09:20 pm PST #7388 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
Oatmeal:
I seriously want to talk to youse guys. All the "actress X is so cute", the "actor Y is so hot" stuff has gone by.
Now we can get down to the real stuff.
aurelia - Dec 11, 2005 1:09:51 pm PST #7389 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Wait. This was about Wash. He loved his girl. All that political crap was way off on the other side of the map. Girl? Good. Politics? Who gives a rusty fuck?
Except for Jayne, this is a do-the-right-thing kind of crew. It wasn't about politics, it was about compassion and truth. And I would argue that Kaylee and Wash are the most compassionate of the bunch. Even moreso than Book.
The people who cared about the politics weren't in the movie. They just hired the Operative.
tommyrot - Dec 11, 2005 1:23:02 pm PST #7390 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
So are there Operative Veterans for Truth?
libkitty - Dec 11, 2005 2:38:49 pm PST #7391 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
I hadn't thought of Wash and Book being the most independent of the crew. I can see the argument, but I don't think that they are in the same sense that the movie talks of Independents. Their Independents aren't really independent. In fact, watching Mal and Zoe shows that they are very interdependent within the group, just desiring independence from the overarching government, the larger whole. I can still buy Wash being one of the most independent in the sense that Whedon used, but I don't think I see Book there.
In terms of true independence, I think Jayne is perhaps the most independent. Several places in the movie illustrate this. Two come to mind right off: when Jayne says he would like to run the ship, showing his lack of concern for the leadership structure; and when he replies that he might survive when all the rest likely wouldn't, in the final reavers attack. In this second instance, I don't think anyone else in the crew would even allow themselves to think this way, even if it were true, because, unlike Jayne, they were all so committed to the whole.
Gus - Dec 11, 2005 4:55:33 pm PST #7392 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
I think Jayne is perhaps the most independent...
Maybe the distinction between "independent" and "self-centered" is all in my mind.
I will cop to this: People like Zoe and Wash, who are coming from a place closer to commitment to another human, seem more Independent to me.