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thegrommit - Oct 21, 2005 5:37:23 pm PDT #6947 of 10001
Um.

How am I dicating how others should behave/react, thegrommit?

The multiple instances of "if you post it, it's fair game" and the commentary about nicknames are two examples. In both cases you've staked out a position, then gone "I don't care" when called on it.

But then, that's just my "perception".


§ ita § - Oct 21, 2005 5:38:29 pm PDT #6948 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't see it as an ambiguous statement at all. It's clear that Kat feeels some people felt like she did (and I read reactions the same way), but that she wasn't going to speak for everyone.

I read your response like you were challenging her statement -- but I see now that you're not. Just clarifying your reaction to Kevin. Doesn't affect what she said.


Kat - Oct 21, 2005 5:40:27 pm PDT #6949 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

SailAweigh, I rarely interact with you and would never assume to speak for you either. Nor did I say, "I'm speaking for anyone/everyone/just X, Y, Z people."

I took what I observed; that many people were riled up by things that Kevin wrote. If you need me to, I can go through and cite all the posts that do that, because I have a paper to write and am happy to procrastinate. But, there's little point. Because when people call something a kerfuffle, it demonstartes that there were other people who felt upset, bothered and offended.

ETA whatever. Don't care anymore.


Kevin - Oct 21, 2005 5:42:46 pm PDT #6950 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

If links are posted online, you have to assume people are going to link to them. This is why they are called links. By putting something on the internet, you put it on the internet for everybody to see.

In the link in question, I didn't know bandwidth was an issue, nor did I know the person who owned the site posted here. I've offered my apologies on that front here, and offered to pull the link in question.

This is not dication. It's my opinion if you put something on a web page the internet (I'm not talking about a post on Buffistas, for clarity: there's a reason I didn't link directly here), you presume people are going to read it. I don't really think that is dictation.

Nicknames, I offered *MY* opinion on it. And clearly stated it was my opinion on it.

"I don't care" is my reaction to people saying I'm wrong about the nickname thing. It's my opinion. Tough shit if people don't like it. I'm not saying it's the right opinion. I'm not saying anybody should agree. It's my personal thought, which my wee brain has - it likes real names compared to online names.


thegrommit - Oct 21, 2005 5:48:44 pm PDT #6951 of 10001
Um.

It's my opinion. Tough shit if people don't like it.

And IMO, there's the crux of the problem. It's quite possible to state an opinion without implicitly putting down someone else's.


Kevin - Oct 21, 2005 5:52:39 pm PDT #6952 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I'm not though, thegrommit.

Example: Allyson doesn't like Serenity. I do. Tough shit she doesn't like it - it makes no difference to me, as it's my opinion. She can have perfectly valid reasons for not liking it, which I might not agree with. I might agree with some. Who knows. End of the day, I still hold my opinion.

I could fluff 'tough shit' up, but it's still the same meaning. I don't mean I don't respect somebody who prefers online names. Of course I respect their opinion, and them. I just prefer something different.


SailAweigh - Oct 21, 2005 5:53:19 pm PDT #6953 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Just wanted to clarify. I wasn't trying to slap knuckles (I wouldn't have used "please".) I came into the thread after the kuffle was past and wanted to make sure that I wan't included in the many.


Allyson - Oct 21, 2005 5:53:40 pm PDT #6954 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Kevin, just so we're clear, this is what I perceive:

A Buffista says: Why is Nilly's name inside quotes?

Kevin says: I hate nicknames.

A Buffista says: But that's her name.

Kevin says: Oh. I made an assumption. That's her real name. I'll edit it.

Some Buffistas say: Whether or not it's the name on her birth certificate isn't the issue. Whether these are the names we've chosen for ourselves, or our parents chose for us, your opinion on our names doesn't mean you get to call into question our identities when you cite us.

Kevin says: That's my opinion so tough shit.

Some Buffistas cry foul.

Kevin, while welcome to his opinion, doesn't get that he should just say, "I understand what you are saying, and when I cite a Buffista in the future, I will not make assumptions about their names or embellish them with my opinion quotes."

Which would have ended it all, 200 posts ago.

This is my perception.


§ ita § - Oct 21, 2005 5:56:32 pm PDT #6955 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wan't included in the many

She didn't use many, either.


SailAweigh - Oct 21, 2005 6:04:05 pm PDT #6956 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

She didn't use many, either

You're right. My brain stuck that in there somehow. And it's not even a sentence that would be able to use that. Huh.