Inara: Mal, this isn't the ancient sea. You don't have to go down with your ship. Mal: She ain't going down. She ain't going anywhere.

'Out Of Gas'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2005 11:11:13 am PDT #6230 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Except the logic that most of those victims screaming on their radios probably should have known to space themselves rather than be captured alive by the Reavers.

Maybe most of them had. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they were really stupid. Although we've had the fear drilled into us (and seen it in the crew), it took a bit of talking for Mal to drill the practical response into the people on planet.


Mr. Broom - Oct 10, 2005 11:14:43 am PDT #6231 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

How do we know those were just victims screaming? Reavers seem like a screaming people to me. Also, I don't get the mindless vibe from them; ruthless and perverse beyond belief, sure. But they're not stupid. The Pax didn't make them less intelligent, just uninhibited. They understand space travel, after all. They have to have a society, twisted though it may be. That's what separates Reavers from zombies; if the zombies show up, you prepare to fight your way out. You've got a chance, if slim. If Reavers show up, you run like hell because there's no hope in fighting back.


bon bon - Oct 10, 2005 11:17:26 am PDT #6232 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

How do we know those were just victims screaming?

We don't, but I presumed it from 1, seeing a ship torn apart; 2, the fact that Serenity was in a dangerous situation, so it could be them and 3, the expressions on the faces of the crew. I don't know what they could have seen, but like I said above, it probably wasn't Reaver leisure time.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2005 11:18:34 am PDT #6233 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know what they could have seen, but like I said above, it probably wasn't Reaver leisure time.

Heh. I'm thinking Reaver leisure time is going to involve screaming. However I lean on the side of it not being the Reavers doing it.


Betsy HP - Oct 10, 2005 11:19:08 am PDT #6234 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I wanted to take a tape recording of Sigourney Weaver yelling "Whoever wrote this episode should be shot!" and play it a second after Mal looked down at the generator.

Yes, THIS.


tommyrot - Oct 10, 2005 11:19:44 am PDT #6235 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Except the logic that most of those victims screaming on their radios probably should have known to space themselves rather than be captured alive by the Reavers.

And the Alliance was still insisting there was no such thing as Reavers, or that there was no proof of Reavers. There are several cases in the series and the flick of people not believing in Reavers.

So I can see folks in captured ships thinking, "Maybe they're Reavers; maybe they're just pirates."


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2005 11:20:17 am PDT #6236 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

That does bring up the darkly funny image of intercepting Reaver comm calls were they're glaring at the viewscreens and screaming at each other in some way that actually works as communication.


libkitty - Oct 10, 2005 11:21:12 am PDT #6237 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

why is there this Reaver asteroid belt where they all hang out-- way too closely to one another, but anyway-- waiting to entrap some luckless, what, space tourists?

Because this is home, and they've been moving out from there, but some are faster at it than others. Also, as others have mentioned, they may sometimes bring their toys home to play. On the other side, we've been shown time and again that there are a lot of rubes out there. Even on Serenity, not everyone knew that it was a dangerous area until Wash told them. Some group heading off to settle a moon might not realize that it was an area to be avoided.

That brings up something else, though. I didn't notice actual screaming. What I did hear sounded like what River heard in Bushwacked, sort of unrealistic sounding screams, so I kind of assumed that anything we heard was leftover psychic screaming for dramatic affect.

We're given the impression that they're relentless killing machines. As in, they don't rest, they don't lurk, they don't scurry, they don't have a homebase. (IIRC from the show, they were actually encroaching on civilization.)

Not exactly. Wasn't it the pilot where Mal says that maybe they're full? I don't think that the reavers thought that they were dead, just that they (Serenity) weren't running and they (reavers) weren't hungry.

Except the logic that most of those victims screaming on their radios probably should have known to space themselves rather than be captured alive by the Reavers.

Above, I wrote how I didn't think that there were necessarily folks screaming then and there. However, even if there were, we've been shown more than once that most people didn't really believe in reavers, that they thought they were made up stories. It stands to reason that if you didn't believe they were that bad, you might try to live long enough to discover that you were wrong, at which point it might be too late to do anything about it.

eta: I type too slowly.


tommyrot - Oct 10, 2005 11:21:37 am PDT #6238 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I don't know what they could have seen, but like I said above, it probably wasn't Reaver leisure time.

Heh. I'm thinking Reaver leisure time is going to involve screaming. However I lean on the side of it not being the Reavers doing it.

Does Reaver Leisure Time involve Reaver leisure suits?

Is it still a leisure suit if you replace the polyester with human skin?


amych - Oct 10, 2005 11:22:15 am PDT #6239 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Depends. Is it plaid human skin?