Wesley: Perhaps the whole point of this experiment is hair. Gunn: I vote he's not in charge.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


arby - Oct 10, 2005 9:01:05 am PDT #6201 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Finally caught up. I saw it last Monday, and it killed me ded - in a good way. I thought Wash's death was absolutely brilliant because it hit me where I lived. It made me feel even more intensely for all of them, and I was holding my breath for the entire battle scene because Joss *would* kill them all off. I actually thought Kaylee, Simon and Zoe were dead, because OMG he killed Wash - all bets were off.

I noticed the inconsistencies with the show 'verse, but they didn't bother me so much. I liked Action!Simon - at first I was so confused and thought it was a total mindfuck, like Simon had been evil all along. Then I realized it had to be retcon exposition and just enjoyed the pretty. That staff-like thing that lit up totally reminded me of Gandalf (YOU. SHALL NOT. PASS!!) but it looked really cool. The only thing that was really hard to swallow was the massive 180 in Mal's attitude towards Simon & River. Obviously *something* happened in the intervening time between Objects In Space and the movie, but it was still jarring to see him regressing to this attitude of "they're not crew" when before he had gotten to the point of (grudgingly, but still) accepting them over the course of the series.

Also about the look of the movie, I do have to agree with the critics who said some of the shots were too close for the big screen. I felt like a lot of them were either really tight or really far away - there weren't many middle distance ones, if that makes any sense. (Sure I'm mixing my terminology here, not being a film techie type. But hopefully the point comes across.) So at times I felt a little claustrophobic.

Still - loved it. Best movie I've seen in yonks. I laughed, I cried - better than Cats, better than E.T.. Can't wait to see it again - hopefully I can go this weekend.


arby - Oct 10, 2005 9:11:44 am PDT #6202 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

PS (cold coffee) - Wash's death WAS random, cruel, pointless and heartbreaking. Just like in real life. I'm reminded of Joyce, Tara and Anya - the horror of death is that there's no rhyme or reason to it, and you can't usually see it coming - I hate those big dramatic deaths with the heroizing and dying speeches and what-not (speaking of which, Book's death blew for that very reason) - they're so goddamn fake. Wash's death to me was very realistic - just because they had landed without killing themselves didn't mean the danger was past. They relaxed for a second and BOOM, death caught up to them. And I'm sure (not having been in one myself) that in battle there isn't time for anything, just check that they're not breathing and move on to save the ones you still can. Like in triage. I don't know how anyone can do it, myself, but that's why I'm not a soldier or a trauma surgeon.

OK final ETA, I swear - I almost lost it when Wash died, but it was the pan over the dinosaurs in the cockpit that really got me. That and Zoe, keeping her shit together despite it all.


libkitty - Oct 10, 2005 9:18:41 am PDT #6203 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

If the Reavers were created by a toxin, how does that jibe with them making more reavers just by being seen, as happened in Bushwhacked?

Do we know for certain that the guy who turned reaver was one of the settlers from the found ship? Everyone pretty much assumed this, myself included, but what if he were actually one of the reavers left behind? He could have just been slow with the self-mutilation. Not elegant, but could it work?


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2005 9:33:14 am PDT #6204 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I've always wondered why the Reavers (apparently) don't turn on each other if they're uncontrollably and insanely hostile. Is it possible that there's some sort of Jasmine-y/Wraiths from Stargate Atlantis style mass mind thing going on, so that they recognize their own and only attack "other"? What if the Pax activated latent telepathy in a small percentage of the population, just strong enough for them to link up with each other and reinforce everyone's shared trauma and madness? Might not survivors/recruits like that kid in "Bushwhacked" be similar latent telepaths who could form a rapport with the group after sufficient exposure?

Just think about 30,000 people constantly earworming each other with "It's a Small World," and the homicidal/suicidal mania becomes very understandable.


Mr. Broom - Oct 10, 2005 9:34:24 am PDT #6205 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I don't see why it doesn't jibe. The Reavers were created by the Pax. This guy became a Reaver because his mind couldn't cope with the horrors he was forced to watch and some creepy internal switch flipped. It's not as though it's impossible for both methods to work.


Dana - Oct 10, 2005 9:46:35 am PDT #6206 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Some extraordinarily pretty pictures of the men of Firefly.

I'd like to thank Jesus, Buddha, Santa Claus, and Xenu the Clam Lord for those pictures of Sean Maher. Apparently I've been a very good girl this year.


amych - Oct 10, 2005 9:51:10 am PDT #6207 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

My. Xenu loves us indeed.


bon bon - Oct 10, 2005 9:55:52 am PDT #6208 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

More on Reavers: why is there this Reaver asteroid belt where they all hang out-- way too closely to one another, but anyway-- waiting to entrap some luckless, what, space tourists? (As I understand it, we were seeing and hearing the entrapment of other ships as Serenity passed through.) It'd be like coming across a web with thirty spiders in it. ETA: I mean, why would any ship come near there, ever?

It reminded me of the scene in Galaxy Quest where Sigourney Weaver and Tim Allen are running through a needlessly treacherous part of the ship:

Gwen DeMarco: What is this thing? I mean, it serves no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway. No, I mean we shouldn't have to do this, it makes no logical sense, why is it here?


Jars - Oct 10, 2005 9:58:43 am PDT #6209 of 10001

Yes. Good Lord that is a pretty, pretty boy.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 10, 2005 10:00:41 am PDT #6210 of 10001
What is even happening?

Ron Glass is prettiest. He's the Legolas of the 'verse.