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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


MechaKrelboyne - Oct 05, 2005 8:04:32 am PDT #5925 of 10001
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

I get the impression he wanted it stopped because he was disillusioned, and figured it just might work. Or it might not.

Concur. 'Damage done' was the Op's excuse to walk away from something he didn't want a part of anymore.

I can readily see the Miranda thing being as big a deal as it's made out to be too. Easily enough to trigger a new war. First, things can't be as stable as all that, seeing as how the old war hasn't even been over for a decade. Second, Killing a planetful of folk in an effort to drug them docile is in fact a pretty scary thing, and fairly recent too. Thirdly, and mostly: Dude. Reavers. The rim lives in utter, pants soiling terror of these guys, the government claims they don't even exist when they're responsible for their creation even? If I were a retired browncoat, I'd be thinking 'See? Here's exactly why I thought unification was a bad idea.' Shortly thereafter, I'd be calling my war buddies and rambo-ing up.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2005 8:05:24 am PDT #5926 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

he didn't want the doctor to know the big scandal River knew.

Since he killed the doctor scant minutes later, I don't think it was a strong motivation.

I don't believe it's a real ending because The Operative said it mightn't be. Joss has left himself plenty of wiggle room.


Mr. Broom - Oct 05, 2005 8:09:46 am PDT #5927 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

The Operative himself told the Alliance that River Tam was no longer a threat. The fact that this gets mentioned at the end of the film suggests they're going to let her go. Sure, it's possible they won't, and that a potential sequel will include more we're-coming-for-you action, but it's also possible that they crew's been given an out.

Besides, we've got a new story issue to springboard the next film, provided they use it: How is Serenity going to find work now that all (or at least most) of the people who harbored her at any time have been killed by the Alliance? Mal and his crew have been made an example of, and I'm willing to bet they'll start the next story with more enemies, and brand-new ones.


bon bon - Oct 05, 2005 8:09:50 am PDT #5928 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Since he killed the doctor scant minutes later, I don't think it was a strong motivation.

Fair enough, I forgot that. Though he himself may not have known.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2005 8:18:20 am PDT #5929 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Operative himself also told Mal he wasn't sure the Alliance would listen, Mr. Broom. Why give that so little weight in comparison?

Bon - he mightn't have known, but I can see no reason Mal would know more than The Operative.


MechaKrelboyne - Oct 05, 2005 8:20:03 am PDT #5930 of 10001
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious

The Operative himself told the Alliance that River Tam was no longer a threat. The fact that this gets mentioned at the end of the film suggests they're going to let her go. Sure, it's possible they won't, and that a potential sequel will include more we're-coming-for-you action, but it's also possible that they crew's been given an out.

I think it depends on where the next installment will be. If we go back to TV, we're likely to go back to smaller scale, stealing food to put money in the bank, then smuggling mud to put food on the table sorts of things. If it's another feature, then it'll be another big epicy type thing. Independants Strike Back is my guess. Civil war could be good.


brenda m - Oct 05, 2005 8:22:12 am PDT #5931 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Though he himself may not have known.

I thought he specifically didn't want to know.

While Miranda may have been the biggest of the secrets (or may not have), I don't think the Operative or anyone else knew for sure that she knew about it until later - the danger was that there was a host of things she might have known.

But this fits with the ending - they got the Miranda story out, sure, but it was the Operative's statement that she was "no longer a threat" that will (for the timebeing, or whatev) get the Alliance off their backs. The Miranda story being out doesn't matter, except possibly in the sense that they got bigger things to worry about right now - it's the threat assessment, which might easily be taken as meaning that she's dead.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2005 8:22:27 am PDT #5932 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's no reason that the Alliance still wanting River means II would have to be about her. It just keeps them out of the light, still on the fringes.


Mr. Broom - Oct 05, 2005 8:30:10 am PDT #5933 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

The Operative himself also told Mal he wasn't sure the Alliance would listen, Mr. Broom. Why give that so little weight in comparison?

For entirely deus ex reasons--they've already done that story. If they're still hunting for River, I'm thinking it'll be in more of a taken-as-read fashion, like in "Safe" or "The Train Job," where it may be mentioned but not be nearly the strongest plot thread. Having them hunt her all over again makes it feel like a TV series on film, which is clearly not the feel they're going for.


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2005 8:34:41 am PDT #5934 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

See my post above.