Surely no one is surprised by the Browncoat zealousy. Didn't everyone see that coming?
(It's zealotry, actually, but I like zealousy better!)
Mal: And I never back down from a fight. Inara: Yes, you do! You do all the time!
'Shindig'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Zenkitty - Oct 02, 2005 3:00:31 pm PDT #5651 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Kristen - Oct 02, 2005 3:19:29 pm PDT #5652 of 10001
On the other hand, zealousy (is that a word?) is exactly what can turn this boat around.
Not if it pisses off and alienates the people you're trying to convert.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2005 3:20:42 pm PDT #5653 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Zealousy makes it sound like the root emotion is "Firefly was better than Dark Angel! Nyah-na-na-na-na-na!" to me.
I don't think people would feel betrayed or slapped in the face unless it felt like they were perhaps uninivited to that universe.
That's probably at the root of Simon's personality makeover being my big WTF issue with the movie. While he's not my favorite character (third behind Zoe and Kaylee, actually) he is the one I identified with the most. In a weird and unintended way, it's like Joss saying to me "no, you just won't do... unless you're more action-oriented, substitute punching for sarcasm as your method of offense, and learn to like kissing girls. Goodbye."
AnthonyDe - Oct 02, 2005 3:33:16 pm PDT #5654 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.
Zealousy makes it sound like the root emotion is "Firefly was better than Dark Angel! Nyah-na-na-na-na-na!" to me.
Right like an insane jealousy. Isn't there some truth to that? I think there are some fans who want Serenity to be in held in the same regard as the Star Wars and Trek movies.
Not if it pisses off and alienates the people you're trying to convert.
What I meant was it's those fans who are going to go back and see it again next weekend.
§ ita § - Oct 02, 2005 4:23:34 pm PDT #5655 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
"no, you just won't do... unless you're more action-oriented, substitute punching for sarcasm as your method of offense, and learn to like kissing girls. Goodbye."
I do agree that he's more action oriented, but he threw one punch, and perhaps it's the memory of TV Simon that makes me think "Whoa. He's snapped." If Jayne had thrown that punch, it'd have meant nothing. If it had been Mal, it'd have been met less. For Simon, violence rising from protecting his sister -- it's an extension in that he didn't seem capable of violence before, but it's not like he wasn't also sarcastic (I love the discussion about expressing anger/fear).
Also, liking girls isn't news.
Betsy HP - Oct 02, 2005 4:45:24 pm PDT #5656 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
we have an emotional invenstment in not just the story but the success of the film.
I have an emotional involvement in the weather. Oddly enough, it continues to rain and shine without paying any heed.
You can make the case that the TV show Firefly was never given a fair chance. You can't make the same case for the movie Serenity. If it does less well than we'd all hoped, well, that's show business. Great movies tank all the time. Casablanca (and I don't place Serenity at the same level) wasn't an All-Time-Classic when it came out. (Ask me about Faerie Tale if you want to hear about truly disastrous marketing.)
Cashmere - Oct 02, 2005 5:12:13 pm PDT #5657 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.
You can make the case that the TV show Firefly was never given a fair chance. You can't make the same case for the movie Serenity. If it does less well than we'd all hoped, well, that's show business.
Yes. This. I'm tickled pink to see the advertising blitz--on networks! Hit shows! Everywhere!
It's that time. Joss has been given the chance and his work is being held up to that standard. You can't win every movie goer over. It can't be done. And to think that you can is just craxy. I'm spreading word here in town, but I'm not promising people the moon. I don't want to set someone up for something they might not like. Viewers need to judge the work for themselves and not be judged on what they think.
le nubian - Oct 02, 2005 5:27:29 pm PDT #5658 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
FWIW, I think Joss should be proud that so many critics seem to like the film. It is really easy to make a shitty movie and Serenity isn't.
Kalshane - Oct 02, 2005 5:50:22 pm PDT #5659 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
We've seen Simon be violent before in the defense of River ("Safe", "Ariel", "Objects in Space") and even for the sake of the captain ("War Stories". Even though he didn't kill anyone, he still shot at them with intent to do so.) So punching Mal in the movie did not seem out of character to me. It just told me "Woah, Simon is really pissed off."
tommyrot - Oct 02, 2005 6:05:44 pm PDT #5660 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
We've seen Simon be violent before in the defense of River
We've even seen him be violent in pilot!Serenity, when he jumped on Dobbs (?) and then pulled a gun on him. Maybe not the most effective violence, but still....