I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Gus - Feb 04, 2005 7:48:29 am PST #557 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Frankenbuddha is a bad buddha.

Also? A funny buddha.


P.M. Marc - Feb 04, 2005 7:49:14 am PST #558 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

So I'm inclined to chalk it up to his farm experience.

Probably a good bet.

People who grew up farming, in my experience, which granted is basically limited to my mother and her sisters, have certain qualities that can be seen in Mal.


tommyrot - Feb 04, 2005 7:51:16 am PST #559 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

People who grew up farming, in my experience, which granted is basically limited to my mother and her sisters, have certain qualities that can be seen in Mal.

Like what?


DavidS - Feb 04, 2005 7:51:55 am PST #560 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Like what?

Said the man who grew up on a farm.


tommyrot - Feb 04, 2005 7:53:24 am PST #561 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Said the man who grew up on a farm.

Well, I don't see Mal liking penguins, or driving an old car....


Frankenbuddha - Feb 04, 2005 7:56:42 am PST #562 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well, I don't see Mal liking penguins, or driving an old car....

Well, I'd Serenity is the equivalent of an old car (though Mal's not really the driver most of the time).

And penguins are funnier than space monkeys, so who knows.


§ ita § - Feb 04, 2005 7:57:02 am PST #563 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Any gender generalizing always gets hammered.

Hammered is one thing -- getting everyone on the same semantic page is more how I saw that question.

I'm guessing the word "cultures" is being used on a smallish scale, to define the characteristics of interaction in environments dominated by one gender or the other, as opposed to a country-wide thing.


Gus - Feb 04, 2005 7:57:08 am PST #564 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

t wishes PMM would enumerate those qualities

I get the military as being "male defined", DavidS, and agree. It troubles me some that I don't know why I agree, though. Were the Amazons less authoritarian than any other martial group? I really don't know.

edited, 'cuz "Amazonians" might be my own private word.


DavidS - Feb 04, 2005 8:03:48 am PST #565 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm guessing the word "cultures" is being used on a smallish scale, to define the characteristics of interaction in environments dominated by one gender or the other, as opposed to a country-wide thing.

Yes, that's how I'm using it. So we're on the same page. Military culture. Ballet culture. Construction work culture. Farmwork culture. Subculture environments dominated by one gender.


P.M. Marc - Feb 04, 2005 8:05:40 am PST #566 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Like what?

Keeping in mind that the farming my mother and her sisters did was very, very rural and about 20 years behind the times (they didn't get running water until after she left home in 1954, and I'm not totally certain when the got electricity), so their farming experience would most like be wildly different from modern farming, I'll try to articulate it.

There's a lack of softness that's not a lack of caring. Life's rough, they know it, they'll deal as best they can with the hand dealt. Fairness. They're all big on fairness and everyone doing their share, though of course, they'd be the first people to bust out with, "Who told you life was fair?" in the event that you'd complain about lack of fairness. It's not so much that they're hard people as they are firm people. No-nonsense, and no time for it, either.