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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2005 10:12:34 pm PDT #5405 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

taps foot impatiently, waiting for Plei to bring the silly snarky

Sigh. Fine.

Just, you know, nobody gets to kill me and eat me. Copied and pasted in from elsewhere.

My Big Firefly Theory.

Disclaimer: I enjoyed the movie. Thought it was manipulative as fuck, but well done for what it was. Still, I have this theory that won't shut up, about how Serenity is actually all about Joss's experiences with the life, death, and rebirth of Firefly.

It was the Death of Wash that did it.

The avatar character getting a stake through the heart, just when he thought he was home safe, blah blah blah. So, after congratulating Joss on getting rid of the actors who seemed the least invested in the series, I started thinking about Joss torturing and killing his avatars. See Xander's eye.

Then I started mapping shit. If I had the time enough or cared enough, I think I could write an actual essay about this and make it sound like I'm on to something instead of on something.

  • The crazy River stuff maps to the weird airing schedule.
  • The Haven and other safe places getting smushed = either rejection from other networks OR sudden dropping from the schedule OR the pilot not airing.
  • The thing with Miranda and the people drugging = most of the viewing audience was not taken with Firefly as presented, and thus fell asleep. The remaining 13% became Reavers. Err. Browncoats. Rabid frothing fans. Whatev.
  • Who are enlisted in a campaign to get the word out.
  • But the show still gets a stake through the heart, after a rocky landing and hopes of the back nine getting picked up.
  • I'm unclear on the part where River takes out the fans. Err. Reavers.
  • Except for the part where I've now decided that River is the NEW avatar of Joss, and taking out the fans is all part of his plan to emotionally manipulate them to death.
  • And I'm getting ahead of myself...

ANYHOO

  • Still, through the internet and stuff like illegal downloads and then DVDs, the word gets out.
  • IN YOUR FACE! Says Joss.
  • Naysayer Associate guy (who represents THE MAN) (the Operative? Huh. Poor dude needs a name) lets them go. Or, you know, greenlights movie.
  • Battered and bruised, they fly again in another form. Piloted by the New Improved Sexy Female Joss.

The end.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2005 10:14:02 pm PDT #5406 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Of course, all of the above could just be my way of making myself feel better about OMG, you killed WASH!!!

And made Zoe SAD.


Lee - Sep 30, 2005 10:15:05 pm PDT #5407 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

But Zoe being sad =Zoe in the dress.


evil jimi - Sep 30, 2005 10:17:26 pm PDT #5408 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Yeah, definitely thinner and the character was retconned to a degree; i.e., she's not so much of a tomboy this time, more sensitive and weepy. Not that I'm complaining, it just felt that I was looking at an alternate universe Kaylee.

Except for the thinner part, I couldn't disagree more. Kaylee-Firefly and Kaylee-Serenity were one in the same in my mind. Weird.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2005 10:18:34 pm PDT #5409 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But Zoe being sad =Zoe in the dress.

This is true. BUT STILL SAD.


Lee - Sep 30, 2005 10:19:22 pm PDT #5410 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Yes, and no more HotMarried.


P.M. Marc - Sep 30, 2005 10:39:00 pm PDT #5411 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Sigh.

That makes me sad, too.

The audience where I saw it were quite thrilled. Lots of stay-to-end-of-credits types tonight.

I liked New, Improved River. Didn't care for Action Simon. Thought everyone but Mal and River got sort of dulled down in translation--Zoe didn't feel entirely like Zoe until after Wash died, Wash didn't feel as Washy, Kaylee felt reduced to more of an awe-shucks chorus, and Inara felt kind of like the Katie Holmes character in Batman Begins. Jayne and Book felt closest to right of the characters neither River nor Mal.


SailAweigh - Sep 30, 2005 10:44:40 pm PDT #5412 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Damned wireless connection failed and ate my post.

I liked the movie. I will see it, again. Agree that a number of characterizations did not carry over from the series. Within the sphere of the movie, though, the characterization did remain consistent, so I'm not going to bitch, too much.

I already miss Book, because I wanted to know more about him and now we may never know. And Wash, ah Wash, we will miss you and your dinosaurs in This Land. Still, it brought the pain and made the movie that much more real to me. I can live with it, although it will make me cry every time I see Zoe being all stoic when Kaylee asks where Wash is. Good thing I had napkins with my popcorn or I would have been sunk, because I completely forgot I had a pack of tissues in my purse.

Overall, it was an enjoyable movie for me. It brought the fun, the fights, the wit and snark, the pain; it broke me up like Serenity and then put me back together again. Definitely a winner in my mind.


Kalshane - Sep 30, 2005 10:56:32 pm PDT #5413 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I was sitting in the middle of the first row of the stadium seating (not the front section of seating).

I was like two rows behind you and just didn't see you, I guess. Huh.

eta: What was the last line?

An echo of Mal's first: "What was that?"

I was all 'WTF?' that they had copied the "first person shooter' aspect of it, down to the the gun being in the frame of the shooter POV shots.

I might have to see it just for the chainsaw bit, because in the game, easiest way to kill those demon dog things was to shove the chainsaw down their throats.

Except for the thinner part, I couldn't disagree more. Kaylee-Firefly and Kaylee-Serenity were one in the same in my mind. Weird.

This is me. She felt very much like TV!Kaylee, though more sexually frustrated.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 11:16:30 pm PDT #5414 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She felt very much like TV!Kaylee, though more sexually frustrated.

Yes. She was a lot more WarStories!Kaylee, because this was a long battle with her in the middle. She was more insulated on the show, but when she wasn't I think it was behaviour consistent with what we saw here.

I have a question -- when they first reaver up and head for Miranda, they show an exterior of the ship that shows the cannon, and what looks like a suited person moving at its controls -- did anyone notice that? We don't get such a clear CGI shot on the way back, when we know that Jayne is there.

Also, why in hell do they all stand in the cockpit where reavers could see them?