None of it means a damn thing.

Mal ,'Objects In Space'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 11:32:12 am PDT #5295 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Book's death had foreshadowing. They're looking for him, and there's death and destruction all around. They've been finding corpses. In fact, Book's the only one alive (although not for long).

You're in a really safe space (relatively speaking) when Wash buys it.


AnthonyDe - Sep 30, 2005 11:33:11 am PDT #5296 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

So Tuesday I was at that Joss Internet Radio interview at The Fandom.com BTW, thefandom.com radio show is probably what the Allyson/Kristen show would be without the snark but with more kiss assery. (btw girls I have their address now, you should contact them about doing a show. It's the same people who do the fishbowl.com and they have multiple shows there.)

I was in chat logged under my old Bronzer name (IMMORTAL) It was a pretty good interview (1hr and 30+minutes,) not the standard questions Joss has been getting. At the end there was a Q&A open to those in chat and my question was the first asked. I asked about the possibility of Joss returning to TV is a limited indirect capacity by proxy.

Then they held a trivia contest. They had 20 tshirts and if you answered a question you got one. I answered the first question (Numfar!) Then they decided that since there were only 22 people in chat (w/mods) everyone would get a tshirt!

Here's the good part...I got a package today! Not only did I get a tshirt, I got a window cling, a bandana and chopsticks. That's 11000 points worth of stuff at the Browncoat store on the site. The funny thing is I've been answering questions there forever and only have 1600 points and one question elsewhere netted me all this stuff. Before you go hating on me I posted that the interview was going take place at a few places and was responsible for hooking those who showed up with the same stuff.


Steph L. - Sep 30, 2005 11:33:17 am PDT #5297 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

You're in a really safe space (relatively speaking)

Well, yeah. Because there's this big sigh of relief that he landed without smashing them to bits, and then WHAMMO -- sucka!!!!


Lee - Sep 30, 2005 11:33:33 am PDT #5298 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

there, I said it)

Yay! I have been sooo tempted all day.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 11:34:10 am PDT #5299 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there was never any doubt that she'd be less than 100% in the battle.

Yes. For me, the question was whether she'd value her own life enough -- but the lives of the crew were just as safe as they'd have been with Wash alive. Because she's a pro.

I'm still not sure the film earned it.

I'll never have the distance to judge that, I think. It's so much one of my buttons. Zoe ... well, she's Zoe and she's beauty and a soldier and that gets me close to where I live. But the silly sappy button is with the unlikely fighter, the hobbit, the child, the brain-damaged ballerina. Those make me unreasoned.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 30, 2005 11:34:19 am PDT #5300 of 10001
What is even happening?

You're in a really safe space (relatively speaking) when Wash buys it.
That's what I remember reading the most about, when people saw the first round of sneak previews. I think Kate P. might have been one of the people who felt sort of abused by it.

This is a prime example of why I spoil (when I do, I don't always, and hardly ever have for a film--this might be the first). I brace, better. I know that's why Joss et al hate spoilers, but some things are just too hard to take.


Nutty - Sep 30, 2005 11:34:21 am PDT #5301 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

It had very little impact on me. Now, I was spoiled, so the HSQ of it would necessarily be muted, but I was spoiled for I See Dead People too, and that HSQ worked.

In part because the 6th Sense HSQ was an HSQ to the character, and the axis on which his perspective turned. Even if I wasn't surprised, I was moved for the character, and could follow his personal HSQ. Whereas, with Wash, it was like, Holy Shit! okay, and now, on with the plot.

I know it was meant to have longer-term impact, but most of the impact felt very meta. Other, distracting things took over in my mind, and the Holy Shit lost its resonant power.

I think this is not helped by ow much I disliked the siege choreography at the end; but as deaths go, only the death of Mr. Universe got the shrift I thought it deserved.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 30, 2005 11:36:24 am PDT #5302 of 10001
What is even happening?

BTW, thefandom.com radio show is probably what the Allyson/Kristen show would be without the snark but with more kiss assery.
But then that wouldn't be the Kristen and Allyson Show, at all.


Kalshane - Sep 30, 2005 11:38:53 am PDT #5303 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

See, for me, Book's death hurt and I was sad but the movie gave me time to recover. And then Serenity got torn up and before I could catch my breath Wash was dead and then as each crew member got injured or seemed to be about to die, it was just like getting struck repeatedly in a place I was already injured and I just went into shock.

I don't feel silly about caring about Serenity because Firefly made me in fall in love with the ship. Maybe not to the degree of Mal or Kaylee, but I still cared about it in way no ship named Enterprise never invoked. Yes, Wash and Book's death hurt more, but it didn't mean potentially losing Serenity didn't.


Steph L. - Sep 30, 2005 11:39:31 am PDT #5304 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

For me, the question was whether she'd value her own life enough -- but the lives of the crew were just as safe as they'd have been with Wash alive. Because she's a pro.

Exactly. It's so much who she is, there's never a doubt that she'll be 100%, even though she just watched her husband get skewered, like, 2 minutes previously.

But the silly sappy button is with the unlikely fighter, the hobbit, the child, the brain-damaged ballerina. Those make me unreasoned.

Oh, me too. Which is why I said it I loved it -- it got me emotionally, no questions asked.