Or perhaps that just means she isn't closed-off and duplicitous. I dunno. To me it comes off as simplistic, though.I prefer to think of her as simple, which is a huge distinction. Character complexity isn't a requirement for a good character for me.
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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
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Mr. Broom - Sep 25, 2005 4:19:46 pm PDT #5078 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
Morgana - Sep 25, 2005 4:34:06 pm PDT #5079 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
Although I generally like Kaylee, I was annoyed by her efforts at gunslinging in "War Stories." The guys on the commentary were all "aww, isn't she cute, we wouldn't want to see her able to shoot a gun anyway," and I was yelling at the screen "She's a liability! If you were counting on her to cover your back you'd be dead!" If River hadn't stowed away and had her crazy freaky powers, they would have had those 4 guys coming behind them.
Then again in "The Message," when Tracey was holding everyone at gunpoint in the cockpit, he shot Wash, and Zoe shot him, so guns and bullets were flying everywhere, Kaylee just wanders right into the middle of it... tra la la, hi everyone, what's going on, can I get lemonade for ya'll?.... I found it unlikely and stupid.
As I said, I generally like her, but those two incidents grated.
Kiba Rika - Sep 25, 2005 4:49:00 pm PDT #5080 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.
Or perhaps that just means she isn't closed-off and duplicitous.
This is what I tend to think.
Much like Cordelia and Anya, Kaylee says exactly what she thinks. It's just that the things they said were meaner. I sympathize greatly with this facet of Kaylee's personality. I just don't understand the point of duplicity. It always seems to me like more work than it's worth, and usually I feel bad about it. I am projecting onto Kaylee here, but that's kind of what I do when I identify with a character. (I don't think that's particularly unique.) I also really sympathize with (but DO NOT like, in Kaylee OR myself) the fact that the littlest thing sets her off. Simon puts his foot in his mouth one time, and she is all huffy and angry. Me too. Well, not Simon, because I don't interact with him, as we inhabit different universes. But you get my meaning.
DCJensen - Sep 25, 2005 4:52:01 pm PDT #5081 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
"Have good sex!"
Liese S. - Sep 25, 2005 4:52:23 pm PDT #5082 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
DCJensen - Sep 25, 2005 4:54:01 pm PDT #5083 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
Yup. The concept came from a cartoon.
Kiba Rika - Sep 25, 2005 4:54:25 pm PDT #5084 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.
PvP. In reference to George Lucas.
Betsy HP - Sep 25, 2005 4:55:06 pm PDT #5085 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
"She's a liability! If you were counting on her to cover your back you'd be dead!"
Yes. That's the point. Nobody on the team is omnipurpose. Mal, Book, Zoe, and Jayne are the gunslingers. Jayne is as dumb as a box of ammo. I don't want Jayne fixing the engine and I don't want Kaylee at my back in a gunfight.
It would be really annoying if everybody on the team were omnicompetent.
Morgana - Sep 25, 2005 5:15:06 pm PDT #5086 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber
It would be really annoying if everybody on the team were omnicompetent.
Of course. Anything else would be sloppy story-telling. "Look at the super heros!" But that means it would be lovely (for me, anyway) if Kaylee would be self-aware enough to realize her limitations. She's great at the family-types of things, she's a genius mechanic, but she shouldn't try to get in the middle of gunfights.
Zenkitty - Sep 25, 2005 5:33:34 pm PDT #5087 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
She doesn't try to get in the middle of gunfights. She picked up a gun, possibly for the first time, in War Stories to try and help rescue Mal. She freaked out at a crucial moment, probably because she'd been shot before, and was ashamed of herself for doing it.
She does seem to have an unfortunate tendency to walk into the middle of them, though.