The girl's not playing with a full deck, Giles. She has almost no deck. She has a three.

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Kalshane - Jul 28, 2005 6:10:44 pm PDT #3856 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

If that's the case, then yeah, they both had similar ideas at the same time. The memo just got leaked (and when it was going around, I seem to recall it being touted as an intentional release, which is why I thought it was a press release when I went looking for it) at a really bad time, as far as Firefly fans were concerned.


JenP - Jul 28, 2005 6:13:22 pm PDT #3857 of 10001

I don't think so either and that hasn't been my arguement.

Yeah, Kalshane, actually, I got carried away in my language there. Almost like I was writing a mission statement or something; I edited my post. Here's my main point from this morning, in response to what made me post:

its you are there approach owes a bit to Firefly

I've never thought that was true, and the timeline Strega provided seems to support the notion that separate creators had a similar idea about how to shoot their shows completely independently of each other. That seems unproblematic to me. And the notion that somehow one show owes something to the other (as quoted above), I don't get.

The memo was a separate but related discussion.


Strega - Jul 28, 2005 6:31:55 pm PDT #3858 of 10001

I did just find this interview, where he says

Losing sound in space has been done before in 2001 and more recently in Firefly (which I never saw, but heard about) so it's not like this is an insane notion.

And jumping back:

Had any scifi movie or TV show featured a robot dog before?
Dude. Dr. Who!


Polter-Cow - Jul 28, 2005 6:37:34 pm PDT #3859 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And don't forget Mega Man.


Ginger - Jul 29, 2005 3:15:46 am PDT #3860 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Our characters are living, breathing people with all the emotional complexity and contradictions present in quality dramas like "The West Wing" or "The Sopranos."

He apparently never saw B5, Farscape or the better episodes of DS9.


DCJensen - Jul 29, 2005 3:49:47 am PDT #3861 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Our characters are living, breathing people with all the emotional complexity and contradictions present in quality dramas like "The West Wing" or "The Sopranos."

He apparently never saw B5, Farscape or the better episodes of DS9

Compared to the original BSG, The Anna Nicole Smith Show has emotional complexity.


Strega - Jul 29, 2005 6:47:12 am PDT #3862 of 10001

I think Mega Man was later, P-C.

the better episodes of DS9.
I suspect he at least saw those, if he didn't write them himself.

I don't understand the need to parse each line so as to find implied slurs against every work he doesn't specifically pay homage to. I really don't. He's writing to network execs. The point is not to write an annotated history of television drama; it's to briefly convey a concept. Are execs going to be more interested if he refers to low-rated shows from years back, or if he refers to current hits that win Emmy awards?

Christ, Moore totally stole the concept of an in media res opening for "33" from Homer. That thieving bastard!


tommyrot - Jul 29, 2005 6:59:07 am PDT #3863 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Christ, Moore totally stole the concept of an in media res opening for "33" from Homer. That thieving bastard!

Yay! I learned a new Latin phrase!


Polter-Cow - Jul 29, 2005 7:02:56 am PDT #3864 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Are you joking, or did you not learn that in high school, or did you not study Homer in high school?

Also, it's in medias res.

OH SNAP.


lisah - Jul 29, 2005 7:06:44 am PDT #3865 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

I don't understand the need to parse each line so as to find implied slurs against every work he doesn't specifically pay homage to.

And, really, what's the point? He was trying to sell his own show! He needs to be selling it as the best thing since sliced bread (in SPACE!).