Wookiees tear people's arms off when they lose games. Jayne. Obi-Wan is Shepherd Book.
It's all about the coat.
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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Mr. Broom - Jun 01, 2005 9:39:35 am PDT #2737 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2005 9:42:43 am PDT #2738 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
So Simon and River are Luke and Leia? I guess one person's hodgeberries are another one's smooches.
Mr. Broom - Jun 01, 2005 9:46:58 am PDT #2739 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
I have to know--what is it about that scene that makes people think naughty things? I've seen it tons of times, before and after hearing about supposed subtext, and I do not see it. I see sibling tenderness and River being in a childike mindset, as she is wont to do, but what I don't catch is any undertone.
Katie M - Jun 01, 2005 9:56:10 am PDT #2740 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Anyone I finger-feed is a) incapable of feeding themself or b) someone I'm sexually intimate with or would like to be so. It's just... flirty.
Vonnie K - Jun 01, 2005 9:56:29 am PDT #2741 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
I think the interpretation of that scene got skewed due to the shuffling of the air-date. If we had seen "Serenity" first as it was meant to be seen, we'd have seen more gradual development of the River/Simon relationship (although "Serenity" has the scene of Simon enfolding naked River in his arms and later on of River stroking Simon's lips with her fingers, so maybe not) and the hodgeberry scene would not have felt so jarring.
I think a lot of it is the archetypal postures; Simon kneeling at River's feet, River feeding the fruit to Simon. A woman offering a fruit to a man codes for sexual temptation, and she's feeding the berries directly to his lips. Because we hadn't seen them interacting much as 'brother and sister' until then (and remember that "Safe" was aired very early in the original broadcast--I think it was the 4th one to air) the scene took on a weird subtext. Also, I think Summar Glau and Sean Maher have this intense and not-quite-sibling-y chemistry.
Or it may be that I'm a perv.
Mr. Broom - Jun 01, 2005 10:12:33 am PDT #2742 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
I've been finger-fed by kids. It's them being imitative of their caregivers. Simon is River's caregiver, and she's throughout the episode she's very much in Kid Mode. I think it's just the fact that Summer's in her early twenties that's causing the hangups. Child behavior being manifested by adults seems to cause this sort of reaction.
Lord knows her IMDB picture's causing me a reaction. Yeesh.
Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2005 10:13:49 am PDT #2743 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Then, of course, there's the deleted scene where River claims to be having Simon's baby...
DebetEsse - Jun 01, 2005 10:17:13 am PDT #2744 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
What age is River supposed to be? I think I figured it out at some point, but I don't recall.
Mr. Broom - Jun 01, 2005 10:19:05 am PDT #2745 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
-t - Jun 01, 2005 10:19:42 am PDT #2746 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Never mind.