Now you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear by my pretty flowered bonnet, I will end you.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


beekaytee - Apr 25, 2005 12:28:03 pm PDT #1370 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

After receiving it on three different accounts, I was finally able to open the 'message from Joss' just now.

I keep rushing over to appledotcom to see if it is Tuesday yet.

::twitching::


The Partyman - Apr 25, 2005 12:57:54 pm PDT #1371 of 10001
[insert something funny here]

Hell I'd love more movies, and I'd love more TV episodes, but hey... I'm just very grateful, glad and super-excited that we're even getting this movie.

I understand that futures seri (love that) would have to be different, but I love the Fireflyverse so much that I think it would be worthwhile.

But would they?

Hmmm. Maybe so. I'm thinking about how the X-Files movie didn't really alter the series much, but then, the X-Files wasn't prematurely cancelled after only 13 eps. Also the movie in that case was pretty much just a two-part episode with a bigger budget and extra pretties.

Whereas, from what I am hearing (and a big THANK YOU to Tamara for not spoiling the plot for me when we talked at the Lost party), Serenity is an actual Movie. Of the BD kind.

So I guess...

It seems like one of those 'you can't go home again' kinds of things.

Sums it up quite well.


beekaytee - Apr 25, 2005 1:02:50 pm PDT #1372 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

Also the movie in that case was pretty much just a two-part episode with a bigger budget and extra pretties.

In total agreement on the Xfiles movie and its relative difference to the BDM.

Perhaps I'm reading too much (and over and over again) into the little bits of tid that have appeared over the last few months, but I'm certain I've 'heard' Joss and the others stating clearly that there is much 'updating', from clothes (more spacey) to dialogue (less twisty) to melieu (not so cowboyy).

While each of these elements ranked among my favorite!Firefly bits, I can see how those not of the body might need to be catered to in a movie. For a franchise to become such, they have to attract legions more than the Browncoats. Even if I amcommited to seeing the thing seven times in the theatre on the first weekend. (okay. maybe twice)


libkitty - Apr 25, 2005 2:25:55 pm PDT #1373 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Buffy movie when it came out, despite the near deafening shouting down it got.

I was all set to ??? before I remembered that Buffy had life before TV. I thought the movie was better than the reviews I had read, but no where near as good as the show.


Zenkitty - Apr 25, 2005 2:36:13 pm PDT #1374 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I am Tamara (except for not haivng seen the movie yet) and Beej and libkitty. So much easier than speaking for myself! And libkitty can be Zenkitty for a while, if it means she gets to move all my heavy crap into my new apartment and find places for it...

Personally... I think I'm so so very wanting Serenity to be wonderful and satisfying and a decent hit that it's a tender place with me, and I get cranky when anyone mentions they don't care about it. It's totally seperate from someone not liking Firefly. Everyone who doesn't really care about Serenity is one less person helping to make it a hit. Possibly illogical, but still, maybe that's why it hits me differently than when someone says they didn't care for Buffy, or didn't like Train Job, or whatever. Those things are done, over; no harm can be done to them by someone not liking them. But Serenity is still in potentia, and I'm afraid that it's just too much to hope that it will do well enough to continue, and so I want EVERYONE to be excited for the movie. I suspect that, if I love The Inside as much as I think I will, I'll feel the same way when, inevitably, I talk to people who dislike it. Others probably felt the same way about me when I finally admitted I didn't like Wonderfalls all that much, even though I liked some parts of it (and I really tried to like it, and I bought the DVDs anyway).

Allyson loved Firefly and burned herself out working to save it, and it's totally understandable that she can't crank up the mad love for Serenity. I know that, and I know that Allyson, or any one person, not caring about the movie is not, all by itself, going to make the movie flop. (Sorry for talking about you as if you're not here, Allyson.) But any casual-sounding dismissals of interest in the movie make me a little upset, anyway. Like The Inside - it still has the potential to not do well, even if it's great, and someone dismissing it before it's even aired makes that negative potential too real for comfort. Which is probably why I haven't been talking it up at the office like I did Firefly.

I've decided I'm not watching the Serenity trailer tomorrow. I'm going to the movies Friday and I'll see it there, in widescreen glory, and then maybe I'll feel better about Serenity's chances. I also may buy a ticket to every showing on opening weekend, just because I can.


Tamara - Apr 25, 2005 3:06:03 pm PDT #1375 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Partyman, you are welcome. It is a good thing that you talked to me early in the evening before I had one too many.

Zenkitty, I am so used to being blown off by friends and family for my taste in entertainment that it never concerns me if someone else doesn't love the lovable thing in the way that I love it.

Serenity will be successful (in that there is a sequel). This in my world is fact. It's just too damn good not to.


Betsy HP - Apr 25, 2005 3:10:51 pm PDT #1376 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Everyone who doesn't really care about Serenity is one less person helping to make it a hit.

Some people don't really care about chocolate. Some people don't really care about books. Some people don't really care about sex.

It's a big ol' world. It doesn't diminish you when somebody doesn't share your enthusiasms.


Allyson - Apr 25, 2005 3:12:58 pm PDT #1377 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's a big ol' world. It doesn't diminish you when somebody doesn't share your enthusiasms.

What Betsy said!


Zenkitty - Apr 25, 2005 3:14:58 pm PDT #1378 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Tamara, your words give me cheer.

I also am accustomed to loving what I love all by myself, it's just... this is different. Somehow. I was more eloquent (or wordier anyway) before that last hit of pain meds kicked in. Off to lift more gorram heavy boxes.

(I made my moving on-topic by saying "gorram". Which only sounds real when Adam Baldwin says it.)

It doesn't diminish you when somebody doesn't share your enthusiasms.

Yeah, I know. That's why I said it was illogical. It's a feeling, not a fact.


JenP - Apr 25, 2005 3:23:31 pm PDT #1379 of 10001

Looking at it from the perspective of a fan of FF, I'm excited about the movie. Can't wait. Don't really think about other people's levels of excitement much, though, I have to admit. Except that the guerrilla promotion still makes me giggle.

Even if I had never heard of FF, though, I would bet huge sums of money that the trailer would convince me to see the movie; it would still appeal to my tastes - space! space ships! action! pretty people! yay! This leads me to be optimistic about the movie's chances, because I think it will spark interest even with the uninitiated.

The movie is unexpected gravy to me. That it might be successful and spawn future movies would be gravier. I hope to swim in all the additional gravy. But if not, I've still got the first helping of gravy to be happy with.

And the 13 eps are a distinct entity to me. So, if it's a little different, darker, whatever - makes me no nevermind.