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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kristen - Jan 05, 2005 8:47:14 pm PST #3494 of 10002

JJ loves the idea of an arc. He's completely unprepared to deal with the consequences of having an arc. You've got to walk it and feed it and clean up after it...

Maybe someone could send him to one of those UCLA workshops.


Maria - Jan 05, 2005 8:49:01 pm PST #3495 of 10002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

So one watches for the pretty, and the wigs? A coherent story is a bonus?


Kat - Jan 05, 2005 8:49:09 pm PST #3496 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay, ita, SIP spoiler:

David and Katchoo got married in Vegas in this issue. They were drunk and got married. No Way.

Henh. intersting. the screencaps I'd seen of Rick Yune I thought he was fighting Syd and not Nadie. that was unexpected.

AH! There it is... the fight with him. But that wasn't the one I had seen screencapped.

Maria, everything is twisty and ever changing and nothing stable. So it does get confusing. Unless you think pretty things go boom.

eta: xpost


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2005 8:50:23 pm PST #3497 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then why does everyone insist that the show is incredibly hard to follow?

Because it makes no sense. It rushes along, with style and momentum and explosions and the odd lust object here or there, but if you tried to map it, you'd drive Moebius mad.

Okay, I have an issue -- why do they one shot people like Djimoun Hounsou and Rick Yune? It makes no sense. I don't care what the practicality of the situations are. They need to fix that. For me.


Kat - Jan 05, 2005 8:53:01 pm PST #3498 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Dear JJ:

Please stop killing off all the pretty men. It makes ita sad. Also, if you can make Weiss/Vaughn canon (or Sark/Vaughn/Weiss), we'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Love,
Kat

JJ loves the idea of an arc. He's completely unprepared to deal with the consequences of having an arc. You've got to walk it and feed it and clean up after it...

And this is why the people who are so into Lost who think things map to other things, who are willing to obsess over detail upon detail are most likely in for a sad sad suprise.


Maria - Jan 05, 2005 8:54:09 pm PST #3499 of 10002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

pretty things go boom.

That I can handle.

It rushes along, with style and momentum and explosions and the odd lust object here or there, but if you tried to map it, you'd drive Moebius mad.

Damn it all, you people are going to make me watch an episode, aren't you? Just to see if it's as crazy-making as y'all say it is.


Maria - Jan 05, 2005 8:57:11 pm PST #3500 of 10002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

grape-nuts:

And this is why the people who are so into Lost who think things map to other things, who are willing to obsess over detail upon detail are most likely in for sad sad suprise.

So JJ is a wolf in Joss' clothing? Just when we think there's a "Little Miss Muffett, counting down 7-3-0" moment, he makes pretty things go boom, thereby devaluing them of significant meaning.


Kat - Jan 05, 2005 9:06:44 pm PST #3501 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Maria, I don't know. I don't know that there ever WAS significance. In Alias, it works for things to go boom. You know in that universe it works. When they have an arc (like Rimbaldi) it's too ambitious and it deflates quickly.

With Lost I read people speculating about what Watership Downs means or the nature of the monster. And you know what, I'd bet money (and win it) that the writers and possibly JJ had no clue what the monster would be 6 weeks ago, let alone when they wrote the pilot.

JJ writes stuff that is fun for the ride. It pulls you along and it's pretty and it's fun. But honestly, the OC has more of an arc (cause soap opera) than Alias.


Kristen - Jan 05, 2005 9:16:55 pm PST #3502 of 10002

JJ's storytelling is like a full on Monet. From far away, it’s OK, but up close, it’s a big old mess.


The Partyman - Jan 05, 2005 9:31:16 pm PST #3503 of 10002
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Without having read any whitefont or seen the new ep yet, my two cents on the Alias topicy:

I imagine the only real 'plan' that JJ has is the Rambalid stuff. I do thing he knows where that is going, but much of everything else, yeah, he's making it up as he goes along. I imagine Season Three (and subsequent) would have been very different if Lena Olin had agreed to return, and he probably only brought in Isabella Rosselini to fill that gap, but I do get the feeling that he knows what he's doing with some of it.

So is the S4 premiere gonna make me change my mind, or squee?