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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 03, 2005 8:13:29 am PST #2440 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Timlies, and a belated HAPPY NEW YEAR to all buffistas. I meant to keep up over the weekend, but I...didn't. Thanks for the congrats on the apartment. I'm still really freaked about moving. Did I mention I hate moving? Well I do. I'm hoping it will be a little different this time since it's under my own speed, but I'm having a hard time thinking about anything else right now.

Oh, and since I saw her here, although I posted this before somewhere in here, THANK YOU msbelle, for the nummy Xmas treats!!!!


Betsy HP - Jan 03, 2005 8:13:36 am PST #2441 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Why should I be able to force my husband to keep my crimes quiet?

The idea is that marriage is sacred. You tell your spouse stuff you'd never tell another living person, and that's the way it should be.

Used to be worse. Used to be that husband and wife were one person in law, and that person was the husband.

Which meant, among other things, that a woman arrested for, say, forgery could calmly say "Okay, fine, prosecute my husband."


Narrator - Jan 03, 2005 8:13:48 am PST #2442 of 10002
The evil is this way?

Why should I be able to force my husband to keep my crimes quiet?

Well, in your case, fear is a sufficient motivator. However, the broader public policy here is to keep the government from interfering in the marital relationship. Also, it is believed that spouses should be able to see comfort, support and guidance from one another. In order to facilitate these public goods, it is important from a societal standpoint that the communications be open and honest and free from forced disclosure.


§ ita § - Jan 03, 2005 8:17:04 am PST #2443 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it is important from a societal standpoint that the communications be open and honest and free from forced disclosure

From my dictatorial corner, I think it's more important that people are urged to be honest than communications are protected so that there's a bit less pressure for them to be so.

But I am reading this right? I can tell my husband about the blackmail and murder, but he CANNOT testify about it, even if he, say, has a conscience?


Narrator - Jan 03, 2005 8:18:55 am PST #2444 of 10002
The evil is this way?

I can tell my husband about the blackmail and murder, but he CANNOT testify about it, even if he, say, has a conscience?

Yes. Unless there is some exception. For example, if he was charged with the crime, he may be able to testify at his trial that you admitted to him that you committed it. However, his testimony likely could still not be admitted at your trial to convict you.


msbelle - Jan 03, 2005 8:20:46 am PST #2445 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

you're welcome Frank.

lunch was enh.

my office is way hot and I have the a/c on - ridiculous.

I am going to put off drafting letters even longer by emailing. 1 work, 1 not.


tommyrot - Jan 03, 2005 8:20:56 am PST #2446 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So this is sorta like doctor-patient confidentiality? But there are exceptions to doctor-patient confidentiality, like if a psychiatrist believes his patient will hurt someone, he is obligated to tell authorities.

So if a man tells his wife, "tomorrow I'm going to kill a bunch of people at work," is she obligated to call the police?


Nutty - Jan 03, 2005 8:21:23 am PST #2447 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm surprised that spousal privilege doesn't come with the same exceptions as doctor/patient privilege. (Except, apparently, in Canada.) Duty-to-warn is a kind of young theory, but as theories for the legal violation of existing privilege go, I'm a fan.

That is truly bizarro, about the "LA Angels of Anaheim". That is sort of like saying I am the San Diego Padres of Santa Barbara, right? Or the Boston Red Sox of Albany.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 03, 2005 8:22:10 am PST #2448 of 10002
What is even happening?

Or the Boston Red Sox of Albany.
Don't even speak it.


Narrator - Jan 03, 2005 8:23:32 am PST #2449 of 10002
The evil is this way?

The "duty to warn" exception has largely applied (if at all) to professional privileges -- attorney-client or psychiatrist-patient or priest-penitent. I haven't seen it much in the spousal situation.