I got stupid. The money was too good.

Jayne ,'Objects In Space'


F2F 3: Who's Bringing the Guacamole?  

Plan what to do, what to wear (you can never go wrong with a corset), and get ready for the next BuffistaCon: San Francisco, May 19-21, 2006! Everything else, go here! Swag!


Daisy Jane - Sep 21, 2005 2:01:28 pm PDT #5095 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Pity they couldn't have shown any competence for Katrina in the first place. Wonder if FEMA will have to fill out forms in triplicate to the completely inept DoHS overlords on this one?

You're not kidding. I have been on the phone since 1pm trying to get a PO box #. I have sort of become this "battling the bueraucracksy so you don't have to person". First there's the phone menu, then there are the downed computers, then some computers are up, but you have to be lucky enough to have had one of them answer the phone (don't ask me why if some people's computers work and others don't, the ones whose computers don't work are answering phones), then they can't help- actually, it takes about an hour of me explaining and then being told they can't give me someone's information, me explaining I have their information, I need to give it to someone who can help her, then wanting to know where this Runyon place is, then saying that she can't help. (She helpfully gave me the address of Reunion). Calls to the shelter, the Red Cross, any number of people, and I still don't have an answer, and will be at it again bright and early in the morning.

Much~ma to Dana who should not have to face this again.


deborah grabien - Sep 21, 2005 2:05:18 pm PDT #5096 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Gods, Heather. I've been hearing this from other friends; it would be nice to think they could do something right.

NO one should have to deal with this crap.


billytea - Sep 21, 2005 2:22:56 pm PDT #5097 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

So I turn to analysis, and find comfort therein.

Yeah, me too. 9/11 left me agitated until I was able to get my head around an analysis of the situation. Facts, details and distinctions were my friend. I doubt I could deal with the human side of it for any length of time without something to anchor to.


deborah grabien - Sep 21, 2005 2:37:15 pm PDT #5098 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Facts, details and distinctions were my friend.

Problem is, speaking just for myself? Everything I heard about 9/11 for the first month was immediately contradicted by something else. Had I tried to anchor myself to any of those, my head would have exploded. The *only* fact I knew for certain was that my nephew's business partner had been herded back into the "safety" of WTC2, and had died there, and that a beloved friend's American SiL had lost her entire family.

So, right back to the human side - and honestly, that's the only thing I can work with. Not trusting absolutes does tend to have that one drawback: if the only thing you can believe is the humanity, the rest becomes a nonsense and a hindrance.

But that honestly is just me.


billytea - Sep 21, 2005 2:51:23 pm PDT #5099 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Problem is, speaking just for myself? Everything I heard about 9/11 for the first month was immediately contradicted by something else. Had I tried to anchor myself to any of those, my head would have exploded.

Ah, see, that would only have been a problem if either of us tried to deal with it the way the other one did.

Anyway, the facts etc that I found comforting were more the ones outside the situation, i.e. putting it into a broader context, than the internal stuff. This is all much more stable, facts-wise. I hardly watched the news at all in that week, after the first day at least. (And then I got most of my info from foreign news sources, though that was par for the course.)


deborah grabien - Sep 21, 2005 2:58:46 pm PDT #5100 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Ah, see, that would only have been a problem if either of us tried to deal with it the way the other one did.

You're a wise man, William, you are you are. I couldn't trust a single source out there, and looking at the broader picture scared the shit out of me and made me feel both helpless (which I bloody hate) and murderous (which is not a good way to feel). So I looked where I always look first: the immediacy of the human factor, and what I could do.

Which, entre nous, was pretty much fuck-all. But still....


Steph L. - Sep 21, 2005 3:15:13 pm PDT #5101 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Problem is, speaking just for myself? Everything I heard about 9/11 for the first month was immediately contradicted by something else. Had I tried to anchor myself to any of those, my head would have exploded.

Deb, the one chuckle I had in the immediate post-9/11 days was from you. Four words: Pentagon. Terrorist pilot. Cthluhlu.


deborah grabien - Sep 21, 2005 3:17:21 pm PDT #5102 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Deb, the one chuckle I had in the immediate post-9/11 days was from you. Four words: Pentagon. Terrorist pilot. Cthluhlu.

And man oh man, the shit I took for that. Heartless! Tasteless!

I still think an Illuminati reference pretty much summed it up, though. Tekelili!


Daisy Jane - Sep 21, 2005 3:17:24 pm PDT #5103 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I didn't mean to bitch and run, I was just supposed to leave work. It's been incredibly frustrating from my dry, safe office trying to get help. I can't imagine the frustration of someone who is trying to get down there with no transportation, no home, no anything trying to get help. Which is honestly why I'm doing the calling for them. It's not something they can't do, but really with all the phone trees and hold and everything, I'm probably better emotionally equipped for it.

Seriously, the lady's daughter, who'd had the card with the PO# on it and lost it was talking about killing herself.

I still didn't get it, but I called her back to let her know that I was leaving, but that I'd be back in the morning and would give it a go then.

And now that I'm home, I get to...sit on hold with the bank because the ATM ate my paycheck.


billytea - Sep 21, 2005 3:19:20 pm PDT #5104 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Deb, the one chuckle I had in the immediate post-9/11 days was from you. Four words: Pentagon. Terrorist pilot. Cthluhlu.

Now I want the Pentagon to start adopting an abstract approach to naming their military operations. I want an Operation Cthulhu, dammit! Or maybe I want to imagine Cthulhu playing Operation. I bet he'd have trouble with all the fiddly work.

Pardon me boy... Is-that-the-Calling-of-Cthulhu? Track 29, madness outside of time...