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billytea - Aug 25, 2005 12:54:46 pm PDT #4646 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I'm thinking, since the reasoning behind the information we want is two-stage, maybe the question should still be a two-parter, e.g.

1. Where can you attend? (Options: Seattle yes/no, SF yes/no)

2. Where do you prefer? (Seattle, SF, no preference between them)


Hil R. - Aug 25, 2005 12:56:11 pm PDT #4647 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I agree with billytea's two-part question. It gets us the required information clearly, without having to sort through too many layers.


JenP - Aug 25, 2005 1:19:02 pm PDT #4648 of 10001

There are two important totals: Who wants a given city, and who can go to a given city. The latter should be the priority -- correct? But the former will be considered.

This is how I feel about it.

bt's suggestion would get that info. out, yes?


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 25, 2005 2:39:08 pm PDT #4649 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

is the first deciding factor which city people CANT attend? that seems a bit negative to me.

Think of it as the deciding factor being which city would have the largest number of potential attendees.


NoiseDesign - Aug 25, 2005 2:40:46 pm PDT #4650 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

Are we assuming that if someone can't attend in one city then they will definitely attend in the other? That's a pretty large leap.


billytea - Aug 25, 2005 2:46:59 pm PDT #4651 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Are we assuming that if someone can't attend in one city then they will definitely attend in the other? That's a pretty large leap.

This is true. I was thinking that if someone can't attend either (e.g. me), they just wouldn't vote. But maybe we add an option to the first question to cover "can't attend either".

Alternatively, it seems the main issue with the first question is not absolute numbers, but the difference in numbers who can attend between the two cities. If that's true, then someone who can't attend either won't really change the decision-making whether they get counted or not.


NoiseDesign - Aug 25, 2005 2:48:56 pm PDT #4652 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

I can see the distinct possibility of folks voting "Can't attend" for one city for whatever reasons, and then when the dates get closer finding out they can't attend at all no matter what the city.


Aims - Aug 25, 2005 2:53:39 pm PDT #4653 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I say this with so much love and please don't be mad at me, but...

Seattle:
Yes
No

San Francisco:
Yes
No

Why aren't we voting like this? I'm not trying to be bitchy or smartassy. We only have 2 cities. There's no point in having "Either" cause if people can go to either, well, then, they'll go.


brenda m - Aug 25, 2005 2:56:41 pm PDT #4654 of 10001
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I can see the distinct possibility of folks voting "Can't attend" for one city for whatever reasons, and then when the dates get closer finding out they can't attend at all no matter what the city.

Of course, but obviously we can't plan for that.

Are we assuming that if someone can't attend in one city then they will definitely attend in the other? That's a pretty large leap.

No, but if one city gets 44 yes and 12 no and the other gets 32 yes and 23 no, it gives us a pretty good idea. Even if the many of the 32 are hugely excited about the city and the 44 lean more towards eh, I'd rather go with the first one.


billytea - Aug 25, 2005 2:58:47 pm PDT #4655 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I can see the distinct possibility of folks voting "Can't attend" for one city for whatever reasons, and then when the dates get closer finding out they can't attend at all no matter what the city.

Oh yes. And vice versa, and so on and so forth. Of course, that's an issue regardless of how we word the question; all we can find out now is a best estimate of numbers at May. t skip discussion of interpreting statistical data

If there's a clear difference between the cities now, it's probably a safe bet that there'll still be a clear difference when May rolls around, though the magnitude will probably move one way or the other. If there's only a difference of a few people, though, it's probably best to remember there's some uncertainty in it. Which I think means that it doesn't need to be an exact tie to be treated as a tie within the margin of error.