But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


F2F 3: Who's Bringing the Guacamole?  

Plan what to do, what to wear (you can never go wrong with a corset), and get ready for the next BuffistaCon: San Francisco, May 19-21, 2006! Everything else, go here! Swag!


-t - Jun 27, 2005 2:20:19 pm PDT #3223 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think June would be more convenient for me than April or May.

All of the possible host cities have advantages for me.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 2:22:25 pm PDT #3224 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As far as something more central... well, that was this year's goal and the vote went to New Orleans. It's too late for "I told you so"s.

Interesting. My comment wasn't an "I told you so"; it was just my opinion. It's not written in stone that the location of the F2F has to change every year. Moving locales was a thoughtful idea, so that the travel/financial burden could theoretically be equally distributed.

That said, my opinion, which I offered up since the discussion about the 2006 F2F has started, is that it might be a better idea to keep it central.

And now its the West Coast's turn.

Yeah, I get that. Like I said in my previous post.


Aims - Jun 27, 2005 2:22:48 pm PDT #3225 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Just a quick search for Phoenix:

Newark - Phoenix $364

DCArea - Phoenix $238-$328

Does Vegas count as West Coast? There are almost always chep flights there from everywhere!


-t - Jun 27, 2005 2:24:22 pm PDT #3226 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Vegas = Pacific Time, I thnk that counts as West Coast.

No localistas, though.


Aims - Jun 27, 2005 2:25:35 pm PDT #3227 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

LA-istas kinda count as local.

I love Vegas.


DebetEsse - Jun 27, 2005 2:55:59 pm PDT #3228 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Vegas is certainly not central, so, I think, counts as West. Denver, I think, is where the fuzzy-ness starts setting in.

Teppy, if we're going central-ish all the time, we should get that decided soon, and it needs to be voted on.

Anybody have any thoughts on when would be reasonable to vote on dates?


Trudy Booth - Jun 27, 2005 3:02:23 pm PDT #3229 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Interesting. My comment wasn't an "I told you so"; it was just my opinion.

Actually, 'that ITYS' wasn't about you at all. I'm the one feeling "I told you so" because what was supposed to be central and easily reached turned out to be prohibitive to so many people. Which is why I didn't vote for it. But it's too late for that now except to learn from it. And this year its the west coast's turn try and drum up a place easily accessable to them and hopefully they won't blow it. And if they do it's my opinion they should wait their turn until they get another stab at it. And, no, that's not written in stone but its a reasonable and fair custom to let them take a crack at it now.

I hope that we all make an effort to make this one as affordable as possible. As marvelous a time as I had, it would have been better with more of you there.

centralish all the time strikes me as demographically unfair


JenP - Jun 27, 2005 3:10:07 pm PDT #3230 of 10001

Does Vegas count as West Coast? There are almost always chep flights there from everywhere!

That's right, isn't it. I mean, I've never been, but it always seems like Vegas is relativley reasonable to get to for people. And aren't there often crazy good hotel deals to be had? No dog in the race; just chiming in with, "Good point."


SailAweigh - Jun 27, 2005 3:15:04 pm PDT #3231 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Vegas sounds good flight-wise, but I wouldn't even think of going there in June. April - okay. Personally, I'd love Vegas because I want to check out all the hotels that have ETC lighting in them.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 3:20:46 pm PDT #3232 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Actually, 'that ITYS' wasn't about you at all. I'm the one feeling "I told you so" because what was supposed to be central and easily reached turned out to be prohibitive to so many people.

Ooops. I totally read that wrong, then. Thanks for clarifying!

centralish all the time strikes me as demographically unfair

I know, but -- and I haven't done any kind of airfare comparisons to prove/disprove my theory -- it just seems like a centralized location would be most accessible and affordable to the largest number of people.

It's kind of a communist idea, I guess. Instead of making it cheaper for one part of the country one year (and possibly, as a side effect, making it more expensive for other parts), the centralized/communist idea makes it affordable-ish every year for the largest number of people. If that makes sense.

Like --

Year 1 (NYC)**: East Coasters, cheap; West Coasters, screwed
Year 2 (San Diego)**: West Coasters, cheap; East Coasters screwed
Year 3 (Kansas City)**: East Coasters, average; West Coasters, average

Every year: outliers (Australia, Israel, Maine), PISSED.

**And these are TOTALLY generalizations; I pulled the cities out of my ass; I realize some magical places always seem to get good airfare price mojo, no matter what region they're in.