Mal: You tell me right now, little Kaylee, you really think you can do this? Kaylee: Sure. Yeah. I think so. 'Sides, if I mess up, not like you'll be able to yell at me.

'Bushwhacked'


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Tom Scola - Oct 25, 2006 2:03:58 am PDT #9321 of 10003
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Can someone talk me through SMTP?

Yes, I can.

My understanding of the protocol was that the email did not have to travel directly from sending server to destination server. However, reading I am doing right now seems to contradict that.

Most email messages will go through many SMTP servers to reach their destination. The Received: headers of any email message will show all the hops it takes.

The description you're reading is probably an idealized, Platonic concept of how email is supposed to work. The real world is never that simple.

In that case, the security vulnerabilities of an exposed message lie just in the two servers, right? And there's no provision for a secure connection between the two within the protocol?

There is absolutely, positively no guarantee of security in SMTP. Email messages can be easily intercepted, looked at, and even modified on the way to their destination.

The only practical way to get secure email is to encrypt the message from the client, using PGP or S/MIME, before it is sent.

[x-post edit] The SSL/Authentication thing that SA is talking about is used to authenticate a user to an SMTP server when a message is initially submitted. It is seldom used in the intermediate hops between SMTP servers


tommyrot - Oct 25, 2006 5:12:31 am PDT #9322 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The description you're reading is probably an idealized, Platonic concept of how email is supposed to work.

Now I'm wondering what OS the Platonic ideal email server runs on. And how well do email servers work in caves, with all the dampness....


Tom Scola - Oct 25, 2006 5:22:38 am PDT #9323 of 10003
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Now I'm wondering what OS the Platonic ideal email server runs on.

Multics.

And how well do email servers work in caves, with all the dampness....

The thing is, SMTP stands for Simple Mail Transfer Protocol. And it really is simple. Yet the things people do to fuck it up and make it much more complicated than it needs to be, oy...


§ ita § - Oct 25, 2006 6:18:34 am PDT #9324 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thank you, Scola. I checked a few email headers, and they all looked point to point, and I doubted myself.

Now I am secure.


Tom Scola - Oct 25, 2006 7:33:57 am PDT #9325 of 10003
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Sysadmins reading the bosses mail?


Ginger - Oct 25, 2006 7:53:12 am PDT #9326 of 10003
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Sysadmins reading the bosses mail?

Did anyone ever believe they weren't?


tommyrot - Oct 25, 2006 8:23:53 am PDT #9327 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Windows 3.1 hotdog scheme: [link]

Warning - may hurt your eyes.


Jon B. - Oct 25, 2006 8:52:13 am PDT #9328 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I think I used that theme for about 30 seconds once, back in the day.


beth b - Oct 25, 2006 8:56:01 am PDT #9329 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I used to change other people's desktop themes to hotdog. I assumed that's what it was for.


tommyrot - Oct 25, 2006 9:00:42 am PDT #9330 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think I used that theme for about 30 seconds once, back in the day.

I know I looked at it. I may have used it for 30 seconds (or less), or maybe I selected another theme as fast as I could....