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Nutty - Dec 11, 2005 4:03:23 pm PST #5940 of 10003
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Actually, that wizard does not seem to cover my model. I walked through it anyway, with a model that seemed similar, but didn't get any big revelations. Off to ply the pliers.


DXMachina - Dec 11, 2005 4:30:08 pm PST #5941 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Grasping at straws obvious stuff:

If it's programmable, are you sure you've got the time settings right, i.e. 9:30 pm Sunday instead of 9:30 am Monday, or suchlike?

It still might be worth taking a look downstairs just to see if the furnace breaker got tripped for some reason. Check the furnace switch (the one that looks like a light switch, but with a red plate), too.

Worse comes to worst, hook up the old one for tonight, and tape it to the wall.


Nutty - Dec 11, 2005 5:49:13 pm PST #5942 of 10003
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Hooked up the old one. Had to try twice to get the damned wires to stay on the leads. Cross fingers that banging noise means heat for the first time in 8 hours.

While I am in the business of electrocuting myself, I must ask -- say you've got pretty wide-bore wires coming out of the wall, and thermostats, even old ones, don't seem to be designed for wires that wide. (We are talking 4mm wide, wide enough you couldn't use that size wire for an earring.) Is it legitimate to work up a kludge whereby you attach tiny fine wires to the giganto-useless wires, and then wind your fine pretty wires around the infinitessimal leads? And if I tried to do that, would I necessarily electrocute myself?

(Okay, yes to that last, since I know the wires are live and know where the fuse box is. So if I promised to turn everything off first, would it be a legitimate kludge? And, who designs these things? And how can I arrange for that person to be hanged, preferably with coax cable from a telephone pole?)


Eddie - Dec 11, 2005 5:59:14 pm PST #5943 of 10003
Your tag here.

I'm not an electrician, but my understanding is that the thermostat wires are low voltage DC that simply open and close a relay; you won't electrocute yourself. As to why they used those large gauge wires, I imagine it was what they had on hand. I think (but don't hold me to it if your house burns to the ground) that you'll be fine with the fine wires.


DXMachina - Dec 11, 2005 6:00:34 pm PST #5944 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Is it legitimate to work up a kludge whereby you attach tiny fine wires to the giganto-useless wires, and then wind your fine pretty wires around the infinitessimal leads?

You should be able to to attach thinner wire to the leads. You need to get some wire nuts at the Depot. Explain to one of the folks there what you want them for. They may have a better solution. (Or, if it can wait until Saturday, I can come up and take a look at it for you.)

Thermostats don't need the kind of cable it sounds like you found. 4 mm is an exaggeration, right? Heavy gauge wire is used for wiring the outlets and light switches (maybe 1 mm thick or so). The leads for the thermostat should be low voltage, like phone wiring, so in theory there's little chance of electrocution. However, it sounds like something is whacked there.


Sophia Brooks - Dec 12, 2005 4:30:28 am PST #5945 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Hi all.

I seem to have screwed up a very simply thing in an access database.

There is a form, and the form has a button the designer made to close the form. I tried to make a find button, which didn't work. Now somehow, I have screwed up this button.

The command is in VBA form, and currently says

Private Sub Close_Form_Click()

End Sub

But nothing happens. and I have no other way to close the form, so right now the only way to close the database is to switch off the computer! What did I do?

ETA: Nevermind- I just made a new button with the wizard and deleted the old one! Problem solved


tommyrot - Dec 12, 2005 5:56:51 am PST #5946 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Random randomness:

Do folks suppose Apple will be releasing any new iPods come MacWorld? Like, say, an 80 Gig model? One with a built-in can opener?

Any preferences as to iPod battery upgrade kits? (my 3rd gen iPod now has a battery life of about 70 minutes.)

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Jessica - Dec 12, 2005 6:02:06 am PST #5947 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

One with a built-in can opener?

Also, it should do laundry and read minds.


DebetEsse - Dec 12, 2005 6:11:22 am PST #5948 of 10003
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I'd be happy with it just doing my homework for me.


DXMachina - Dec 12, 2005 6:44:14 am PST #5949 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Y'all saw yesterday's Opus, right?