I don't fancy spending the next month trying to get librarian out of the carpet.

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Volans - Nov 08, 2005 6:59:47 am PST #5497 of 10003
move out and draw fire

Anybody have any recs for cheap yet useful graphics programs or web authoring tools? I use Photoshop and Dreamweaver, but I've been asked to recommend something cheaper, for someone who is not a professional.

I was thinking Illustrator and MS FrontPage, as I hear those are commonly used. (Windows platform)


§ ita § - Nov 08, 2005 7:01:06 am PST #5498 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jasc PSP is pretty good.


Volans - Nov 08, 2005 7:03:09 am PST #5499 of 10003
move out and draw fire

Oh yeah, we had that on my last contract. I'd totally forgotten it. Thanks!


Dana - Nov 08, 2005 7:09:09 am PST #5500 of 10003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

There's also Photoshop Elements.


amych - Nov 08, 2005 7:10:19 am PST #5501 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Front Page is horrible. (But that said, I don't have a lot of non-Dreamweaver experience in Windows, so I can't recommend anything else)

For graphics, Illustrator and Photoshop do completely different things. If what you need is a photoshop analogue, look at Photoshop Elements instead -- it's a simplified version that costs much less and does everything you'd commonly need to do for web work.


tommyrot - Nov 08, 2005 7:16:11 am PST #5502 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The Gimp is a very powerful and free (open source) graphics program, but it's difficult to learn to use (at least for me).

Also, I don't remember if you still need Xfree86 or somesuch to run it on a Mac.


tommyrot - Nov 08, 2005 8:28:21 am PST #5503 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Crap. I am so confused. (Yeah, what else is new?)

A web browser (IE 6) should never cache an .asp page, right? A web server (IIS) should never cache the result of a .dll component, right?

eta: Nebber mind. I am an idiot, but not for reasons related to the questions here.


Betsy HP - Nov 08, 2005 8:55:06 am PST #5504 of 10003
If I only had a brain...

The Therac is (and I devoutly hope will remain so) the all-time champeen.


Tom Scola - Nov 08, 2005 9:59:42 am PST #5505 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Fuck.

H&R Block has apparently decided to cease development of their TaxCut software for the Mac.


tommyrot - Nov 08, 2005 10:05:42 am PST #5506 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What. The. Fuck.

I broke something on this very complex web application we wrote for a client. So I reverted half a dozen files to their original state. Except the application was still broken. I debugged and found the error in a script file which is included in the main file like so:

<SCRIPT src="SCRIPTS/combos.js"></SCRIPT>

It was erroring because the main page still had the new version of combos.js, even though I could look at that file directly and see that it was now the old version. So I killed IE, restarted the application - same thing. (Did this several times.) It was acting like it had cached combos.js. Finally I just renamed combos.js on the server, which produced an (expected) error on the web client. Then I renamed it back, and at this point the browser was loading the correct (old) combos.js.

WTF? Are javascript include files supposed to be cached? I've done this sort of thing before without a problem....

eta: A quick google shows that javascript include files are cached. Huh. Any idea how to prevent this, or how to force a reload of the include file if it's been changed?