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Betsy HP - Oct 26, 2005 3:22:05 pm PDT #5310 of 10003
If I only had a brain...

And so they're hitting the server whether you follow a link or not.

It's the other way around. If you follow a link, they save it. The next time you follow the link, they give you the saved copy unless there's reason to believe it's out of date. So you wind up with fewer server hits, not more.


Betsy HP - Oct 26, 2005 3:23:07 pm PDT #5311 of 10003
If I only had a brain...

Now google's doing it too?

Forget it, Jake, it's betatown.


Gris - Oct 26, 2005 3:27:46 pm PDT #5312 of 10003
Hey. New board.

There definitely used to be web accelerators that ran on that principle. They'd grab the text of links, then the images, using a choice system based on your habits. They were actually quite good (though, yes, meanish to servers) when reading text-heavy pages with fewish links. Now that the internet tends to have billions of links per page (as it should, but didn't for a long time), they probably don't work quite as well.


§ ita § - Oct 26, 2005 3:29:03 pm PDT #5313 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So will my referrer logs stay updated properly? How does that even work with browser caching?


Betsy HP - Oct 26, 2005 3:29:48 pm PDT #5314 of 10003
If I only had a brain...

I can't answer the detailed questions; (A) not my project and (B) not authorized to speak for the company. Everything I know is in the FAQ.

[ita: you probably want the Webmaster faq. [link] ]


bon bon - Oct 26, 2005 3:48:41 pm PDT #5315 of 10003
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Reading the FAQ leaves me with the same impression I had before. I said:

Without knowing what I'm talking about, I got the impression from signal v. noise that google web accelerator pre-caches all links when you're on a website. And so they're hitting the server whether you follow a link or not. Does this sound like I'm onto it?

And Betsy said:

It's the other way around. If you follow a link, they save it. The next time you follow the link, they give you the saved copy unless there's reason to believe it's out of date. So you wind up with fewer server hits, not more.

But this sounds like regular browser caching. If google says below

What is prefetching?

Prefetching takes advantage of idle time when a user is viewing a page to accelerate the links which he or she is likely to follow next by “prefetching” those pages. This speeds up users' online experience by making many pages load faster. You can learn more about prefetching on the Mozilla website.

2. How does Google Web Accelerator decide what to prefetch?

Google Web Accelerator decides what links should be prefetched based on aggregate usage statistics as well as the user’s mouse movements. But Google Web Accelerator also allows websites to specify which links should be prefetched (for example, the top story on a news website), so that webmasters can prioritize links which they expect their users to be interested in.

I still got the impression that it's pre-caching, and the signal-to-noise people think this will increase load because you won't necessarily follow that link.


§ ita § - Oct 26, 2005 3:57:54 pm PDT #5316 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thanks, Betsy. I obviously need to work out how to turn that off for my high-volume sites.


Betsy HP - Oct 26, 2005 4:42:27 pm PDT #5317 of 10003
If I only had a brain...

I didn't read the FAQ carefully. You're right, Bon; it's both a cache and a pre-fetcher. But it isn't going to follow every link; just the "likely" ones, whatever that means.


DCJensen - Oct 26, 2005 4:46:52 pm PDT #5318 of 10003
All is well that ends in pizza.

An attempt at statistical probability?


NoiseDesign - Oct 26, 2005 5:24:25 pm PDT #5319 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

The article was also pointing out that for web based apps that are running things like administration pages Google Accelerator was clicking links that did things like modify layout and delete items in the attempts to prefetch.