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Zenkitty - Aug 20, 2005 9:18:58 am PDT #4113 of 10003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Help me. This is driving me insane.

My computer shuts itself off, spontaneously, for no apparent reason. Sometimes it turns itself back on. Sometimes it won't (unless I smack it, which I discovered in a fit of pique).

I've taken it to Best Buy twice. The first time they wiped the hard drive and reinstalled the OS (Windows XP). They ran a system diagnostic and found no problems. It's not a virus. Both times, they ran it for hours, they say, with no trouble.

It never did this at my old apartment, where I had it for about a month before I moved here.

I bought an APC battery backup unit. It made no difference. The unit reports only two brief power interruptions, which it handled. I tried moved the unit to a different wall plug. No difference.

After it comes back from Best Buy, it runs fine for a couple days, then starts shutting itself down again.

It doesn't matter if I'm on the internet or not. It doesn't matter what I'm doing. It doesn't matter if the central air conditioner is on or off, or comes on or goes off while the computer is running.

I'm running Norton Antivirus. I was running McAfee for a while, between the trips to Best Buy. Neither made any difference.

Nothing that I can think of to do has made any difference.

This has been going on for months. I would just chuck it and buy a new computer, but if this is caused by something in the environment here, I'll be wasting yet more money and possibly not fixing the problem.

Does anyone have ANY idea what the hell is wrong?


Zenkitty - Aug 20, 2005 9:20:51 am PDT #4114 of 10003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

and cereal...

Theodosia, I have Virgin Mobile pay-as-you-go, and I like it a lot. It's easy to use, doesn't require a damnable contract, and the people I've talked to have been very helpful.


dcp - Aug 20, 2005 9:43:47 am PDT #4115 of 10003
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Still sounds like an overheating problem. Is the CPU heatsink OK? Is the case ventilation OK? Does the motherboard have a temp. sensor? Perhaps you can change the temp. at which it is set to shut things down.


Typo Boy - Aug 20, 2005 9:52:43 am PDT #4116 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Try temperature regulation as people have said. That can make a big difference.

If that is not the problem, I wonder if your problem could be power related in spite of APC. If nothing else works you might try a battery back up that includes a voltage regulator. That you had two transient outages in a short time your battery backup took care of is not a good sign Unless the one you tried included voltage regulation?


Zenkitty - Aug 20, 2005 9:53:19 am PDT #4117 of 10003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

dcp, I don't have a clue how to check on either the heatsink or the possibility of a motherboard temp. sensor. I did ask the Best Buy people to check on it, and they said it was fine. (Of course, there's always the possibility that they didn't do anything to it at all and just took my money; how would I even know?) The case ventilation seems OK; nothing's blocking it and I feel air moving, anyway.

But if it were overheating, wouldn't it have done this at Best Buy or my old place, too?


Eddie - Aug 20, 2005 9:58:23 am PDT #4118 of 10003
Your tag here.

Still sounds like an overheating problem. Is the CPU heatsink OK?

I agree. My gut tells me the CPU is faulty.


Zenkitty - Aug 20, 2005 9:58:25 am PDT #4119 of 10003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

TypoBoy, my APC does include voltage regulation. Backup battery will intervene if AC utility voltage goes above 136 V, or below 90 V. (I can change these numbers.) Every time I check it, it says the current voltage is 115 V.

The last transfer to battery was caused by electrical noise, which lasted under 5 seconds; the one previous was a blackout, also under 5 sec; both I believe were related to thunderstorms.


dcp - Aug 20, 2005 10:05:25 am PDT #4120 of 10003
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

how to check on either the heatsink or the possibility of a motherboard temp. sensor.

Checking the heatsink requires opening the case. The temp. sensor and contol setting in my (five year old) machine can be accessed through SETUP -- before Windows loads. I can get to SETUP by holding DEL during boot-up, but that may not be how it works for your machine.

But if it were overheating, wouldn't it have done this at Best Buy or my old place, too?

Maybe, maybe not. There are too many "it depends" variables. Was it on a cool counter? Was it kept upright? On its side? Things like that, and you have no way of knowing.

Sorry to post & run, but gotta get Dad to the airport....


Zenkitty - Aug 20, 2005 10:07:22 am PDT #4121 of 10003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Eddie, can you or your gut tell me how I, who know nothing, can find out if something's wrong with the CPU? Maybe I just need to get a private geek in here to look at it. I'm not taking the blasted thing back to Best Buy; they've had their chance.

Sometimes when it restarts, it tells me it needs to check the disk, but it never says anything's wrong with it after it does the scan.


DCJensen - Aug 20, 2005 11:12:04 am PDT #4122 of 10003
All is well that ends in pizza.

Turn off the computer andopen the case. Make sure every single connector and cable is firmly in place as well.

After that, leave the case open and turn it on. Check to see that every fan, including the one in the power supply is spinning.

Then shut it down and put the cover on and run it for a while.

If it still turns off randomly, try running it with the cover off, that would keep it cooler. maybe have a fan pointed at it.

if it's a cooling issue, the mysterious shutdown shouldn't come back. If it does, it is possibly a failing CPU chip/card.