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Tom Scola - Apr 22, 2005 2:48:02 pm PDT #2561 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Open Office for Mac requires X11. I'm not aware of an X server for Mac OS 10.1.


Gandalfe - Apr 22, 2005 2:58:27 pm PDT #2562 of 10003
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Ignore me, then . . . .


Gris - Apr 22, 2005 3:06:18 pm PDT #2563 of 10003
Hey. New board.

Try NeoOffice/J. It's a port of OpenOffice that doesn't require X11 under OS X.


tommyrot - Apr 22, 2005 3:07:38 pm PDT #2564 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

NeoOffice/J uses the JavaTM technology that is built into Mac OS X. By using Java, there is no need to download and install the X11 software that OpenOffice.org requires.

Is this a good thing?


Gris - Apr 22, 2005 3:09:22 pm PDT #2565 of 10003
Hey. New board.

(shrug) Depends. It means it's probably a little faster, and may look just a bit more like a normal OS X application. But I haven't actually tried it, or OpenOffice, for a comparison.

I personally hate running anything under X11. I haven't done it in a long time, having found replacements for just about everything I used to use it for.


Gandalfe - Apr 22, 2005 3:38:44 pm PDT #2566 of 10003
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

I thought it said that, even tho you don't need X11, you DO need OS10.2?


Gris - Apr 22, 2005 4:11:22 pm PDT #2567 of 10003
Hey. New board.

Maybe it did. I actually couldn't find the OS requirements, though I admit to not looking very hard. Sorry if I misled.


Theodosia - Apr 23, 2005 5:00:49 am PDT #2568 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I can run NeoOfficeJ under 10.3 -- OpenOffice didn't work for me, even with X11 installed. It takes a damn long time to open, but seems largely stable once it's open....


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2005 6:59:22 am PDT #2569 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

OS X application install question -- most of what I've wanted to install has given me an app and told me to drag it into the application folder.

Now that I've found said folder, easy. But I've expanded the FFView volume, and it's a whole folderful of stuff, with subfolders. I mean, do I drag the volume into the app folder? Do I take the contents of the volume, put them in a normal folder ... what?

Is there any reason, usually, to put apps anywhere other than the app folder? They can run from anywhere, or at least I'm assuming so, since I've run FFView from the volume that's on my desktop.

Also -- the backend stuff is cool. I was poking around the utilities folder and, yay, Unix!


Tom Scola - Apr 23, 2005 7:08:23 am PDT #2570 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Now that I've found said folder, easy. But I've expanded the FFView volume, and it's a whole folderful of stuff, with subfolders. I mean, do I drag the volume into the app folder? Do I take the contents of the volume, put them in a normal folder ... what?

You can do anything you want with them, including ignore them. I would tend not to put them in the Applications folder, because I don't want it to get too cluttered.

Is there any reason, usually, to put apps anywhere other than the app folder? They can run from anywhere, or at least I'm assuming so, since I've run FFView from the volume that's on my desktop.

The only thing to avoid doing is to take apps came preinstalled in the Applications folder, (or apps that installed themselves in the Application folder), and move them out of the Applications folder. They'll still work, but automatic software updates will fail later on.