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DXMachina - Apr 16, 2005 6:41:34 am PDT #2460 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Unless I find a better solution I am about to toss stuff in various construction dumpsters around town.

Yeah. I have the dumpster at work if needs be. The thing is, we were told by our state agency that only CPUs and Monitors had to be recycled (which we do, at about $35 a whack). Miscellaneous cards and parts were deemed okay. Shrug.


§ ita § - Apr 16, 2005 6:42:25 am PDT #2461 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Excellent, Liese! I just sent off an e-mail to a nearby nonprofit.


Laura - Apr 16, 2005 7:33:04 am PDT #2462 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

Thanks Liese. I found a couple options there.


Consuela - Apr 16, 2005 7:48:23 am PDT #2463 of 10003
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I dumped my old computer and old stereo at the Alameda County Computer Reuse Center, which runs a program that teaches kids computer/electronic skills while they rehab the equipment, and then it gets shipped overseas for use in third world schools and stuff. It's a great program, and I don't mind at all that I have to pay $20 to cover the monitor recycling.


Jessica - Apr 16, 2005 8:01:35 am PDT #2464 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Question for all you sound people out there -- when shopping for speaker wire, what do the gauge numbers mean? Is 18 better or worse than 16? (I lurve my sound system, but when the source is of poor sound quality -- i.e. Comedy Central -- there's a tiny bit of buzzing, which I think higher quality wires would help fix.)

And wrt the iPod dock vs iPod stereo connector kit, is it worth getting the kit, or should I just buy the dock and get the cables separately?

[eta: And another A/V question -- my DVD player has both composite and component output. My A/V reciever has only composite input, but my TV has component. Would I be crazy to wire the DVD player's audio through the reciever, but run component video directly into the TV? And if I did that, would it so confuse the system that nothing would work, or would I be rewarded with snazzy digital optical surround-sound AND lovely vivid component video?]


DXMachina - Apr 16, 2005 8:16:15 am PDT #2465 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The numbers are gauge sizes. The bigger the number, the thinner the wire. I'm not sure what that means in terms of sound quality. I'm pretty sure there are other factors, such as the length of the run and the quality of the shielding.


Jessica - Apr 16, 2005 8:21:21 am PDT #2466 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The bigger the number, the thinner the wire. I'm not sure what that means in terms of sound quality. I'm pretty sure there are other factors, such as the length of the run and the quality of the shielding.

Okay, thanks. I'm working on the assumption that the wires that came in the box were really cheap, and so almost anything I buy will be an upgrade. But phrases like "at least 16-gauge" (which is all over the Amazon reviews) only becomes helpful once you know which direction the numbers are going in. So cool.


NoiseDesign - Apr 16, 2005 2:42:39 pm PDT #2467 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

The smaller the number of the gauge the better, though once you drop to 12 ga you're in pretty good shape. What this really does for you is help with the damping factor of the speakers, especially at low frequencies. Damping factor is essentially how fast the driver in the speaker can change directions. Also you get better tranmission of low frequency signals on the larger cables.

As for the hum, larger wire won't really help this. Here's what can help. Make sure that you don't have long lengths of wire coiled, and then near some sort of AC line. When you coil the wire like that you are creating a wonderful loop for induction of noise. Given that, speaker signals typically don't pick up that kind of hum. Usually it's the unbalanced line level cables (The ones with the RCA connectors on them). Make sure that they aren't near AC lines and if they must cross do it at a 90 degree angles. They shoudl never run parrallel with AC lines. Also try to buy line level cables that are shielded. You don't need to was money on stuff like monster cable, but a good grade shielded RCA can help.

If there is noise coming in on the speaker lines then the best way to get noise rejection is to use a cable that is a twisted pair. Most speaker cable is just a high grade zip cord which is not twisted. By running a twisted pair you can get very long distance runs with very good noise rejection.

Um, I think I just really gave you way more than you were asking for.


DXMachina - Apr 16, 2005 3:09:14 pm PDT #2468 of 10003
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I don't know about Jess, but I'm bookmarking it.


NoiseDesign - Apr 16, 2005 3:30:43 pm PDT #2469 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

There's also a whole thing about lots of gear having what's called the "Pin 1" problem, which has to do with the manufacturers not properly connecting the audio ground to the chassis of gear. You can often make odd hums go away from running a clean grounding line to a screw on the chassis of the gear. I'm kinda convinced this is going on with my Tivo and may be doing that soon.