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Spoilers 3: First Mutant Enemy, Now the World

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Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 05, 2012 6:29:41 am PST #3311 of 3486
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

If Rick doesn't realize that someone he killed could come back as a zombie, why the double taps on the bandits from Philly in the bar?


le nubian - Mar 05, 2012 6:33:45 am PST #3312 of 3486
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

so you are saying that he has known, but didn't share this with others?

I think you are right. I agree.


§ ita § - Mar 05, 2012 6:59:56 am PST #3313 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So, wait, if you kill someone you have to then do a zombie killing thing to them right away, and that works? You don't have to wait for them to rise again and then do it?

Not to mention they need to sleep in shifts to keep watch.

I don't think so, any more than they need to protect themselves from other zombies, right? Unless there's a reason Sophia was coming home, and other zombies would walk on by.

There was an imminent threat and Carl handled it. I

I might not hate that Carl as much as I'm disliking the one we have right now.

If Rick has known this the whole time, he's pretty crap at leading people. He's pretty crap at being a husband, a friend, and a father. Jesus.


le nubian - Mar 05, 2012 7:11:36 am PST #3314 of 3486
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think Matt raises a compelling point. If you double tap and make sure the 2nd gets them in the head, you are probably done.

BTW, may I also say that the reveal about the zombie virus being in all of us was just so well done. The group had gone to 1 or 2 abandoned housing communities and I wondered why they were getting attacked by zombies in sealed up homes.

Then boom!

There is no fucking lead up to this revelation EXCEPT for the double-tapping. That's a bit too subtle. I would have preferred more hints dropped. I don't know if the Darabont shift impeded the writers' ability to do good storytelling or what, but the characterizations and the plotting are shit.


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2012 5:02:29 am PST #3315 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Awake isn't a genre show: [link]

Which means we can't question anything, I guess, because dreams are non-linear, yadda yadda? So there can totally be scenes in the dream world where he isn't even present?


le nubian - Mar 10, 2012 5:23:58 am PST #3316 of 3486
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

In some ways, I'm in agreement with one of the commenters that just because Killen says it isn't genre doesn't mean it can't evolve. The telling thing is that he does not want to reveal which is real just yet and enjoy the tension of the character trying to live in both.

but the audience may not like this, so I can imagine the show moving slightly in a different direction.


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2012 5:31:56 am PST #3317 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, I don't think they're treating it much like one right now--the idea that he's experiencing red day then green day (oh...) but they're interleaving it for dramatic effect to show to us makes it really hard to follow the mechanics--I can't keep track of how the information flows between the worlds. It's hard to be sure that info doesn't go red->green->red in a shorter period than a day, for instance.

But I think it's because I'm used to mysterious genre shows that I want to work things like that out. Your general Grey's Anatomy watcher might not give a fuck--and if they're the audience, there's no reason for the writers to be honest about it.

They've already had scenes in both worlds without him in them, right? In my head, that would seem to put both worlds on similar planes of reality, but evidently I'm overthinking it.

Basically that's it in a nutshell. If it's not being written as genre, my reflexive way of approaching the plotline is going to be considered overthinking for what it actually is.

Which irritates, and will take some getting used to.

If it later "becomes" genre, that will also irritate.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 10, 2012 5:41:10 am PST #3318 of 3486
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

If one of the worlds is a dream, there's nothing to prevent him from experiencing it as an omniscient but disassociated observer at times.


§ ita § - Mar 10, 2012 5:49:21 am PST #3319 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But if they're giving us both worlds apparently as he's experiencing them, I would have expected that to make them both dreams. But since there's only one dream, evidently we're not getting his PoV in the waking world like I'd been expecting, and that's just another thing I need to adjust to.


§ ita § - Mar 11, 2012 1:44:49 pm PDT #3320 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I just read some completely unfounded speculation that Browder will be the next companion. But the author admits up front there's no evidence but hope and "Would he really be hired for just a one shot?"