Just as Boone etc probably consider themselves to be the only survivors, any other survivors of the flight probably assume the same.

You know we have to see Rose's husband at some point.

What worries me is I'm afraid the producers may be seeing Jack in spy/cowboy-vision, where the "good" protagonist is good because he's the main character rather than because he's someone who actually behaves in a moral manner. And never gets called on it. I would have liked that scene between him and Kate much better if she'd been somewhat disgusted and said "so your Hippocratic Oath doesn't matter, but impressing me does? What happens if someone you don't like gets sick and I'm not around to show off for?"

Note: I have no problem with Jack compromising his morals and acting like a dick. I just don't want to see it glossed over by the other characters and treated as if he's not doing anything wrong

Exactly what I meant to say, Matt.

I'm only pedantic about it because *I'm* Catholic, and yet I always manage to forget the actual definition sometime during the year and so hit my head every time we're reminded of it at Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Okay, now I'm confused. What is the actual meaning of "immaculate conception", then, if not "conceived without sex and so, by implication, fathered by God"?

Another question: Did Locke's father actually need the kidney himself, or was the plan to scam him out of it and then sell it? Because if it's option B, that's got to be one of the more convoluted and icky ways to make money I've ever heard of.

I am so over Boone, btw.

Jack so needs Lilah there to bust his chops about the moral failures. "You violated the professional ethics you devoted your whole life to out of spite, and then went back on your decision just to impress little old me? That's so sweet. Kind of like that sickly sweet smell that rot gives off."

Though I suppose her putting on glasses and faking a southern accent while riding him would have slightly different connotations in the context of this show.

The Immaculate Conception is directly about Mary, and indirectly about Jesus. It means that Mary was congenitally free of original sin. It is not the Virgin Birth.

The Immaculate Conception is directly about Mary, and indirectly about Jesus. It means that Mary was congenitally free of original sin. It is not the Virgin Birth.

Thanks, but I'm still floundering. Can you explain in more detail? What made her free of original sin?

Someone more Catholic than I am may need to straighten me out -- I can't cite scripture, and I don't know if scripture overtly supports the idea. But it is required for her logistically and Catholically to be a womb worthy of god, a second Eve (also congenitally sin free).

You and I need baptism to cleanse us of sin (just like the rest of the world). But Adam, Eve, Mary, and Jesus did not.

Wikipedia on Immaculate Conception: [link]

Catholic Encyclopedia on Immaculate Conception: [link]

But it is required for her logistically and Catholically to be a womb worthy of god, a second Eve

So you mean that Immaculate Conception doesn't refer to the fact that she didn't have sex with Joseph, but that *she* was immaculate, yes?