but ... how do we know he doesn't know those basic phrases?
Fair point. Still doesn't gel for me.
Buffy: I was regrouping. Spike: You were about to be regrouped into separate piles.
'Potential'
Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR
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Jessica - Feb 24, 2005 7:02:37 am PST #6443 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
brenda m - Feb 24, 2005 7:06:59 am PST #6444 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Ooh - something that I was thinking about while Michael went after Jin on the beach.
I wonder if part of Jin's motivation during that scene wasn't to provoke some of what happened to him? He saw how Sun reacted to him coming home covered in blood. And he clearly has a hate-on for the violence he's done himself. So if nothing else, Michael's actions here had to put the kibosh on any warm fuzzies Sun was feeling towards him, regardless of what happened between Sun and Jin.
DDK rocked the house on this one. That whole scene - from translations (thanks Vonnie) he was clearly trying to explain himself. But the way he kept getting back up after each hit, the combination of pride, defiance, and the whirlwind of emotions flying between himself and Sun - amazing.
-t - Feb 24, 2005 7:07:26 am PST #6445 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
When Sun was flashing back, it seemed like years passed between the wedding and Flight 815, but this time it seemed more like months.
Nutty - Feb 24, 2005 7:20:02 am PST #6446 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
how do we know he doesn't know those basic phrases?
Well, the joke is, even if he didn't before he got on the plane, he's spent 4 weeks on an island where English is the default and pretty damned necessary for survival. Of course he's learned some English, as anyone would, hearing nothing but all day long and needing to know what it means.
I mean, he might have learned only "cave" and "doctor" and "asshole", but those are three very useful words!
Lee - Feb 24, 2005 7:24:42 am PST #6447 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
I think Jin's using the lack of a common language as a way to keep himself and Sun separate from the others, and actively avoided learning English in order to keep up that protective barrier.
Nutty - Feb 24, 2005 7:28:06 am PST #6448 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Oh, I agree in general, and that would explain why he's still at the single-word stage, instead of picking up whole phrases. But, like, when somebody borrows his fishing net, after a certain while, mime plus words gives those words meaning. You can't really help that kind of learning.
Lyra Jane - Feb 24, 2005 7:30:49 am PST #6449 of 10000
Up with the sun
The human mind is a powerful and scary thing, though. If you didn't want to learn a language, you could probably convince yourself you hadn't, and forget whatever you *had* picked up.
Nutty - Feb 24, 2005 7:34:57 am PST #6450 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I don't know, LJ -- that sounds like something that requires a serious complex about it, which I'm not seeing in Jin. If you're interacting with a language every day, and we've seen that he is, most of the time you can't help but learn bits of it. Refuse to use those bits, yes. (That can be a form of power, speaking or not speaking; as Sun demonstrated yesterday.) Enact psychological gymnastics akin to repressed memory in order not to learn them in the first place? Hard for me to believe.
le nubian - Feb 24, 2005 7:35:20 am PST #6451 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
Sun and Jin were married for years. That dog she received as a puppy was grown by the time they departed on the trip to Sydney.
-t - Feb 24, 2005 7:38:46 am PST #6452 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Was it still a puppy when Jin came home covered in blood? I think that's what's confusing me, when that scene happened. I guess there could have been years of Jin growing increasingly hard and carrying out worse errands before he went to see his father that we just didn't see.
I am not bothered by the language thing. not on any logical basis, per se, it just doesn't bother me.