Angel: You know, I killed my actual dad. It was one of the first things I did when I became a vampire. Wesley: I hardly see how that's the same situation. Angel: Yeah. I didn't really think that one through.

'Lineage'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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§ ita § - Feb 18, 2005 10:12:58 am PST #6307 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean that in the celebratory way.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 18, 2005 10:15:32 am PST #6308 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Maybe Joel Schumacher was an armorer in a previous life?


Kalshane - Feb 18, 2005 10:31:33 am PST #6309 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I like both heroes and villains as characters. I think there's a profound difference in liking a character (which I mean as "this character is interesting/entertaining to me" when I say it) and liking a person. There are plenty of characters I like that I wouldn't want to meet in real life, let alone wish to become friends with or emulate. A well-written/portrayed villain is fascinating to me, because just like others have mentioned, it is a different mindset from my own. It's interesting to get a look inside the head of and understand the motivations of someone who behaves in fashion one never would oneself.

On the flipside, I also like well-written heroes. Even an incredibly virtuous hero can be entertaining to me provided they're not sanctimonious or Mary Sue-ish. Like Angel says about heroes "living as if the world is as it should be, to show it what it can be". Being able to hold to virtue despite all that is wrong in the world without distancing oneself from it is a rare and powerful thing and I find very fascinating to see a character who portays that believably.

The important thing with Sawyer and this episode is whether we symphatize with him or pity him or whatever, and I think we are meant to, it's perfectly clear that what he did was a wrong and horrible thing. As Robin pointed out, Drew made efforts to humanize Sawyer's victim. We were supposed to be shocked and appalled by what he had done, while at the same time understanding why he did it.


Daisy Jane - Feb 18, 2005 12:59:27 pm PST #6310 of 10000
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think there was also a point to be made about obsessing and controlling. If he hadn't been so obsessed with killing Sawyer, T2000 wouldn't have been able to use him that way. He nearly gave control of his stash to Kate.


tiggy - Feb 18, 2005 2:53:35 pm PST #6311 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I hope poor Scott's grisly death really does mean that Steve gets moved up to regular status, as I think Dustin Watchman is the best looking guy on that island.

funny thing? before last week's episode Dustin was playing Scott. however, it was Christian that was playing Scott when they found the body. confusion abounds!

oh and thanks to whoever linked holloway_daily. i need some daily josh in my life.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 18, 2005 7:57:32 pm PST #6312 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I thought that was the case, tiggy. The producers having one last "Scott—no, that's Steve" joke? Whatever the case, I'm glad of the switcheroo for the completely shallow reason that I find Dustin much hotter than Christian Bowman.


tiggy - Feb 18, 2005 8:19:52 pm PST #6313 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

The producers having one last "Scott—no, that's Steve" joke?

based on comments made by VIPs at the 'lage, i have a feeling we haven't heard the end of this. the switcheroo was intentional and they are completely and utterly screwing with us.

oh and i agree about Dustin. he's a h*ttie.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 18, 2005 11:13:17 pm PST #6314 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

You mean Steve decided to take on Scott's identity, since no one could keep straight which was which anyway?


Gus - Feb 18, 2005 11:26:33 pm PST #6315 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

OK. I find myself in a place where there are people who know the names of the actors playing Steve and Scott.

However, I am not afraid.

Really. It says so right here.


DCJensen - Feb 19, 2005 2:37:01 am PST #6316 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.

You mean Steve decided to take on Scott's identity, since no one could keep straight which was which anyway?

Maybe Scott killed Steve and took his place. Or maybe they were in the midst of playing a joke on the rest of the survivors and at some point the real Scott will break down and confess it was really Steve who died. Hurley will just look at him and say "Dude..."