Simon: I'm trying to put this as delicately as I can... How do I know you won't kill me in my sleep? Mal: You don't know me, son. So let me explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.

'Serenity'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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le nubian - Oct 26, 2004 1:23:13 pm PDT #616 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Well, I'm not convinced she's innocent of anything. She has done something illegal/criminal in her past. Her statement to Sawyer "you don't know women who are exactly like me" indicates that she's definitely got an edge to her.

I think she killed someone, perhaps in self-defense, or she was high at the time, but I believe she did commit a serious crime.


Zenkitty - Oct 26, 2004 1:24:04 pm PDT #617 of 10000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Pardon the serial, but I just thought: If the island is turning everyone into the opposite of what they've been before, then shouldn't Jack become callous and selfish, or else ineffectual a la "I'm a lifeguard!" Boone. He's always been a help-the-helpless hero type.

And why isn't the island mojo working on everyone? Dang, I wish I'd been taping this thing.


Gus - Oct 26, 2004 1:25:29 pm PDT #618 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

If it's Forbidden Planet , who's the innocent girl? Kate? Or is that taking it too far?

I think it might be too far. The only paralell I see to the movie is the possibility of an id-magnifier.


Cranberry - Oct 26, 2004 1:26:39 pm PDT #619 of 10000
I was fine when existence had no meaning. Meaninglessness in a universe that has no meaning -- that I get. But meaninglessness in a universe with meaning? What does that mean?

I'm going with the first one for now, Gus. Abrams has said he likes to write about "ordinary people in extraordinary situations," and Jack's hallucinations can be explained away as him being sleep-deprived.


Lyra Jane - Oct 26, 2004 1:27:42 pm PDT #620 of 10000
Up with the sun

I think she killed someone, perhaps in self-defense, or she was high at the time, but I believe she did commit a serious crime.

Me too. I don't think she was high, but I could believe she either did it in self-defense or in an act of revenge, as someone suggested upthread.

And i'm defiinitely getting a high-priest vibe off of Locke.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 26, 2004 1:29:20 pm PDT #621 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Not just sleep-deprived, either... he's been through his father's death, a plane crash, nearly being eaten by some big unseen monster, and having to perform a mercy killing. If that's not enough to cause a legitimate nervous breakdown, I don't know what is.


le nubian - Oct 26, 2004 1:36:36 pm PDT #622 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Matt,

yeah because he started seeing his father the morning after the burning of the BODYS and it probably brought up all these feelings for him as well.


Gus - Oct 26, 2004 1:59:52 pm PDT #623 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I am tempted to think the island is strange, that something extraordinary is at work there. Actually, though, there are only three datapoints for that idea. A conk on the head rarely heals paralyzed legs, some of the trees seem to be epileptic, and OMGWTF.

There may be real-world solutions for all of those.

Post-traumatic stress/sleep deprivation can certainly account for Jack's actions in White Rabbit. The usefulness of those hallucinations (finding water, meeting Locke with the boar) seems a little suspect, though.


SailAweigh - Oct 26, 2004 1:59:54 pm PDT #624 of 10000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

And why isn't the island mojo working on everyone?

We haven't seen enough of everyone's stories to know, yet.

shouldn't Jack become callous and selfish

He did. He refused to participate in the memorial service for the dead passengers. He was a tad rude about his refusal, too. The opposite I see in Jack is that before, he kept his light under a bushel. He was eclipsed by his father before the crash, pushed around by his mother, and now he's getting his moment to shine and a chance to have a say in what he chooses to do.

Now that I've defended my theory, I just gotta say, it's A theory. One of probably half a dozen I'll come up with before the show's half-way over. I wear a lot of tinfoil. You need feel no compulsion in wadding it up and chucking it in the trash. I'll just go buy more.


Dana - Oct 26, 2004 2:05:34 pm PDT #625 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

He did. He refused to participate in the memorial service for the dead passengers.

That's probably lingering daddy issues, though.