Angel: Just admit it: you think you're gonna ride in, save the day, and sweep Buffy off her--Spike: Like you're not thinking the same thing. Angel: I'm already seeing somebody. Spike: What, dog girl?

'The Girl in Question'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Stephanie - Feb 11, 2005 5:42:06 pm PST #5974 of 10000
Trust my rage

Maybe you can talk to ita about it while you guys are kraving.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 14, 2005 3:10:59 pm PST #5975 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

moved to Spoilers just in case it's a valid one...


Jim - Feb 14, 2005 11:56:43 pm PST #5976 of 10000
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Loved the island bits, hated the flashback. I wasn't bothered by Charlie's skillz - it's a convention that anyone can fire a gun on TV.

And I think Charlie did precisely the right thing. He knows, more than anyone else, how dangerous Ethan is. They've got no prison, no cuffs, only 3 people even remotely competent to guard someone who knows how to fight like Ethan. Under those circumestances killing him was absolutely the right move; no information he could give would outweigh the risk that he'd escape in the middle of the camp where there are now handguns lying around.


Nutty - Feb 15, 2005 6:17:25 am PST #5977 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Well -- they do have handcuffs. One of them is still stuck on Jin's wrist.

Stupid waste of handcuffs, I say.

I think it's debatable whether killing Ethan right off the bat was the right decision, but I also think that, if they hadn't killed him right off the bat, they'd never have been able to execute him later. Way to squeamish, despite the fact that he's (a) a murderer and (b) a constant, serious danger.


Jim - Feb 15, 2005 6:21:21 am PST #5978 of 10000
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Yeah. They would never have arrived at that decision by committee - someone had to take the moral weight on his/her shoulders.


Lee - Feb 15, 2005 6:25:25 am PST #5979 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

For me it's not really a question of if Charlie was right to kill Ethan (I agree it probably was the best solution), but why he did it. It wasn't about doing what was right for the survivors, or even for Claire; it was about Charlie wanting to prove he could take care of someone.


§ ita § - Feb 15, 2005 6:47:49 am PST #5980 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

(I agree it probably was the best solution)

I don't think that (and would be disappointed if) Charlie was thinking of it as a solution. It was a necessity.


Jim - Feb 15, 2005 6:51:59 am PST #5981 of 10000
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Can you explain the distinction? Do you mean he just acted by compulsion?

BTW, the shooting thing: all englishmen can put 5 rounds through a playing card from 20 feet away in less than 2 seconds. We learn it between Latin classes.


§ ita § - Feb 15, 2005 6:57:18 am PST #5982 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you mean he just acted by compulsion?

I saw him as motivated by a desire for revenge, and unsettled by high emotion. If Sayid had killed him, I'd characterise that as a solution, because Sayid would have been thinking.

As much decision as I (and I'm not speaking for the writers' intent here) see in Charlie is "Who gives a fuck if I do this? It won't really matter."


Lee - Feb 15, 2005 7:33:14 am PST #5983 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I don't think that (and would be disappointed if) Charlie was thinking of it as a solution. It was a necessity.

True. I meant solution from an overall standpoint. Charlie probably was thinking about it as a necessity. It's his motivations I think were whack.