River: I didn't think you'd come for me. Simon: Well, you're a dummy.

'Serenity'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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DXMachina - Jan 20, 2005 8:14:07 am PST #5230 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I still think she was a bitch, since she was completely heedless of anyone else's best interests in setting up her perfect life. "I'll move to Amsterdam and won't lift a finger to help sustain Michael and Walt's relationship; I'll emotionally blackmail Brian into adopting Walt even though he doesn't want him, because that way everything will be tidier; I'll not share his biological father's letters with Walt because then I'd have to explain...

Actually, I'm glad she died, because if anyone ever deserved to die, it was her.


Kathy A - Jan 20, 2005 8:18:43 am PST #5231 of 10000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Anyone else think that her death wasn't necessarily a natural thing? That envelope that Brian gave Michael reminded me too much of the envelope that the psychic gave Claire with her airplane info to make me think that it's all a coincidence.


Kalshane - Jan 20, 2005 8:20:25 am PST #5232 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I did remember really liking the Mercutio, especially since he's probably my favorite character in the play.

P-C is me. HP's Mercutio was definitely the highlight of the film. (Which could be considered faint praise, depending on one's opinion of it. I personally thought it was okay, but can't stand the really fast low-attention-span friendly cuts near the beginning of the movie. If the whole movie had been like that, I would have hated it.)


brenda m - Jan 20, 2005 8:22:14 am PST #5233 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I love the film. Note that I'm not saying it's a great film (possibly even a good one), but for whatever reason, I do love it so.


JZ - Jan 20, 2005 8:22:42 am PST #5234 of 10000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I want to see more about why she did what she did. Was she just that selfish or was there something else going on?

Sadly, I'd kinda tend toward "just that selfish," or maybe just that thoughtless. Despite recent shifts in the notions of what parenting is and who a father is to his kids, there's still a pretty large, many generations old, unspoken cultural assumption that mom is the parent who matters.

I have an acquaintance who has bent over backward to maintain daily contact with his daughter, at first in the face of his ex's baffled but patient indulgence and over the last two years in the face of her very thinly veiled hostility. She's married again, so their daughter has a father figure living at home ("at home" being mom's home, not dad's, despite 50/50 physical custody), so why doesn't he regard this as an opportunity to run off and be free? Just like Bitch!Babymama, she sees his insistence on having a relationship with his kid as overinvolved and a little selfish. Thank God she hasn't run off to Amsterdam yet, but she would if a job opportunity presented, and she'd be sincerely morally outraged if he objected.

And when I was gossiping and bemoaning Dad!Friend's situation with another friend, she shrugged and rattled off the stories of three other decent, trying-to-do-the-right-thing guys she knows in similar or worse situations.

I really wish there was some big dark secret behind the Amsterdam/Italy/Bryan/adoption/no-cards-ever thing, but it was probably just unspoken assumptions and a belief that she was truly acting in Walt's best interests. Which is shitty and thoughtless in a banal everyday regular people doing well-intentioned harm to each other way that makes me all kinds of happy as a storytelling consumer, however miserable it makes me as a Michael sympathizer.


brenda m - Jan 20, 2005 8:32:09 am PST #5235 of 10000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

And it does sound like, given her lack of interest in marrying, she was already making sure to maintain a distance and keeping herself as the "real parent" even while they were together.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 20, 2005 8:54:07 am PST #5236 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

OMG! LOSTZILLA!!! (With thanks to minaloush at TwoP.)


Hayden - Jan 20, 2005 8:54:22 am PST #5237 of 10000
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Actually, I'm glad she died, because if anyone ever deserved to die, it was her.

I agree, but I'm usually down on overly selfish people. That said, they wrote her in such a way that she really deserved a waxed moustache to twirl. I'm not blaming Fury, because many of the other characters from the flashbacks have been a bit cardboard, too.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 20, 2005 8:59:01 am PST #5238 of 10000
What is even happening?

I really wish there was some big dark secret behind the Amsterdam/Italy/Bryan/adoption/no-cards-ever thing, but it was probably just unspoken assumptions and a belief that she was truly acting in Walt's best interests. Which is shitty and thoughtless in a banal everyday regular people doing well-intentioned harm to each other way that makes me all kinds of happy as a storytelling consumer, however miserable it makes me as a Michael sympathizer.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything big. I maybe even think they used "lawyer" as shorthand for self-serving and ambitious, to play it against "artist/construction worker" with all its potential sensitive+hard-working-salt-of-the-earth shorthand.


tavella - Jan 20, 2005 9:07:11 am PST #5239 of 10000
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

Yeah, I don't think there's anything big. I maybe even think they used "lawyer" as shorthand for self-serving and ambitious, to play it against "artist/construction worker" with all its potential sensitive+hard-working-salt-of-the-earth shorthand.

Yeah, though I did like that they put in the lines about 'support us in the manner that we hope to become accustomed to' and the fact he wasn't working at all to indicate that maybe she had some reasons why she was viewing him as useless baggage from her past. I really liked this episode for the way it had people being flawed in a real-life way. As someone said above about a real life version of this, she was probably baffled that he kept holding on instead of taking the opportunity to be free.