I'm a vision of hotliness, and how weird is that? Mystical comas. You know, if you can stand the horror of a higher power hijacking your mind and body so that it can give birth to itself, I really recommend 'em.

Cordelia ,'You're Welcome'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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§ ita § - Jan 14, 2005 12:12:48 pm PST #4919 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not saying that Jack hasn't been useful. Just asking why he's more useful than the person that has been feeding the community (since everyone poopseats, and only some people have been ill or injured), or the backup feeder.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 14, 2005 12:14:15 pm PST #4920 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

For me it depends on how much I know: what an observer on the island would pick up, or the audience's limited omniscience.

Hurley knows Kate's a criminal, Sawyer knows she makes Shannon seem sincere and unmanipulative, and only Jack knows both facts (and he is utterly clueless about how dangerous she is, whereas I think the other two at least realize that getting her really mad would be a Bad Idea.) To everyone else she's the strong trustworthy broad with good ideas that's been gathering fruit for everybody for weeks.

Locke, on the other hand, is the somewhat creepy survivalist guy who came armed with enough knives to put on his own production of West Side Story and rambles about visionquests and Destiny when he's not off by himself in the jungle imitating Colonel Kurtz. I know which I'd feel more at ease around.

As an informed viewer, I think I'd pick the same. I think someone who's dangerously off kilter when their personal buttons are pushed is a lot easier to predict and get along with than someone who has the vibe of a religious fanatic.


le nubian - Jan 14, 2005 12:17:00 pm PST #4921 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Matt,

I think Jack has an idea about how dangerous Kate can be. Unless he has lost his mind, he can't forget about how desperate the marshal seemed to find out where she was. He still wants to know WTF she did. And her deception won't easily be forgotten.


Lee - Jan 14, 2005 12:17:47 pm PST #4922 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Did we ever see her getting her own protein?

No, though she did say she was a vegetarian. Maybe there's a secret soybean farm on the island.


tavella - Jan 14, 2005 12:17:59 pm PST #4923 of 10000
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

I'd pick Jack over Locke or Jin because I'd figure the odds of Jack figuring out how to gather protein (and while fish and boar are definitely more conventional protein, grubs are a traditional and easily accessible form if you start suffering from deprivation) are a lot better than Locke or Jin learning how to diagose, treat, and perform surgery. If we are picking teams, he's definitely my first choice. Second would be Sun, as an all purpose all star -- extra medical support, food gathering skills, and generally very calm and practical.


JenP - Jan 14, 2005 12:20:14 pm PST #4924 of 10000

I think Jack is more situationally important, but when you need him... you really need him. So, if I stay healthy, thanks to Jin who brings me food (although, it's unclear to me whether he's sharing with everyone), then Jack? Eh, whatever. But I might hurt myslef of contract a dread disease, and then I'd be looking for Dr. Hero, youbetcha. He and Sun together would make me feel marginally less afeared of dying from some horrible wound or disease. And Michael of the "Hey, let's build a viaduct [I don't mean viaduct. What do I mean? Oh! Aqueduct. That's it], whaddayasay?" seems useful. And cute. And Hurley would keep me from dying of boredom, I think. And they all seem relatively sane. Or, would to me at this point, I think. I mean, OK, Jin's a little temperamental.

So. I need a team to keep me happy. Huh. Wonder what I'd have to offer them?


le nubian - Jan 14, 2005 12:20:56 pm PST #4925 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The thing is, after a certain amount of time, others can learn Locke's skills. After a couple of weeks, I can probably figure out (with 1 or 2 others) how to trap a boar.


§ ita § - Jan 14, 2005 12:23:04 pm PST #4926 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

After a couple of weeks, I can probably figure out (with 1 or 2 others) how to trap a boar.

But then there's mixing hallucinogens, tracking, predicting weather, orienting spatially, throwing knives, tying knots -- that makes Locke useful in that you need him around to learn from.

I dunno. Jack is just so lame so much of the time.

Wonder what I'd have to offer them?

Sexual favours, I'd go for.


JenP - Jan 14, 2005 12:24:54 pm PST #4927 of 10000

Yeah, that'd be OK. I could live with that. In my grouping, anyway.


Nutty - Jan 14, 2005 12:26:52 pm PST #4928 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm not sure that Jack's skillset is all that useful, though. A surgeon can't do much if he doesn't have scalpels and clamps and anaesthetic and instruments, so barring some really spectacular coconut-technology, he's pretty much down to country doctor level. And country doctor stuff, well, at this point Sun does as good a job at that as he does.

Of course, there is Sawyer's injury, but if it was really as serious as they let on (arterial bleeding), how was it resolved without instruments?

For that matter (a) what emergency kit in the world is equipped with antibiotics, (b) sure hope Jack asked Sawyer in advance about any drug allergies and (c) why on earth would you waste your antibiotics on some shmuck you hate anyway with a flesh wound, when you might have a case of dengue any minute now?