Totally forgot about the black rock. Has it been mentioned besides in the (untranslated by Shannon) transmission?
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-t - Jan 14, 2005 6:35:16 am PST #4873 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 14, 2005 6:37:28 am PST #4874 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'd say there's a matter of degree involved, as "wants to share a secret with Shannon" doesn't quite scream for intervention to me in the way that "won't tell anyone where Shannon's life-saving medicine is" does. Presumably Locke didn't know how deep and unhealthy Boone's Shannon issues were when he pulled the Perils of Pauline schtick.
Also, Sayid and Jack were at least theoretically better able to control the risks and level of harm than tying someone up in the middle of a forest where wild pigs, bears, and a giant invisible robot dinosaur have been known to roam.
Jim - Jan 14, 2005 6:38:04 am PST #4875 of 10000
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
So Locke is bad because he tied someone up and injured them for their own good (and it worked)
He didn't. He tied him up and injured him to stop him telling Shannon - or at least that's arguably what happened.
Polter-Cow - Jan 14, 2005 6:38:06 am PST #4876 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Has it been mentioned besides in the (untranslated by Shannon) transmission?
Rousseau mentioned it when she had Sayid tied up. I forget the context, but she mentioned it, and it was supercool cause it meant they actually cared what the transmission really said in French.
Topic!Cindy - Jan 14, 2005 6:38:52 am PST #4877 of 10000
What is even happening?
Why is Sayid such a fucking moron?
I read that scene as both Jack and Sayid knowing there was something weird about the compass/island but were just glossing over it in a sort of "We both know it's weird but we'll just blame Locke".I'm with UTTAD. Jane E (I think) once described Buffy as keeping her own counsel. I think that's what we're seeing here with the characters generally and more so with all of the stronger characters--Locke, Jack, Sayid, Kate, Sawyer, and probably Jin and Sun (although where they're concerned, it's harder for me to tell what's going on, I'm not sure how much of their story I've missed, though). I definitely got the "keeping their own counsel" vibe off the compass scene from Sayid, more than a clueless vibe.
§ ita § - Jan 14, 2005 6:39:29 am PST #4878 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He tied him up and injured him to stop him telling Shannon - or at least that's arguably what happened.
I'd assumed he'd tied him up to cure him of the fixation that meant he needed to tell Shannon.
Topic!Cindy - Jan 14, 2005 6:43:24 am PST #4879 of 10000
What is even happening?
Maybe ita, but what about motive? Do you think Locke did so for Boone's own good, or anyone's good (other than Locke's own), or do you think he did it, because Boone wasn't sufficiently bowing to his will? Boone had protested staring at the block-of-marble/metal-hatch, and then he wanted to let Shannon in on what he was doing.
My own take is Locke didn't do anything to help Boone. He did it to control Boone. If it helps in the process, whatever, I don't think Locke's intent has to do with either harming or hurting Boone, outside of wanting to control and manipulate him (and the others).
-t - Jan 14, 2005 6:45:47 am PST #4880 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
So Sayid and whoever he's told would be the only ones who know anything about a black rock?
le nubian - Jan 14, 2005 6:46:39 am PST #4881 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I am not sure Locke knows he's as into control as he is. I'm sure he really believed it was for Boone's benefit.
§ ita § - Jan 14, 2005 6:46:41 am PST #4882 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think if Jack could have worked out a way to get everyone to go to the caves, he'd have used it. Because he thinks they'd be better off that way.
Much like Locke is convinced that Charlie and Boone are better off now than they were before. Un-addicted to anyone/thing except what will up their chances of survival.
Fuck, Sawyer's even better off for having been tortured at Locke's suggestion, but that's a bit gnarlier to untangle.
Do you think Locke's intent wrt Charlie was similarly devoid of any concern for Charlie?