River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see the sky and they remember what they are. Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

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§ ita § - Jan 13, 2005 7:28:31 am PST #4765 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Shannon, pitying Boone, in my evaluation.


Polter-Cow - Jan 13, 2005 7:29:17 am PST #4766 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm with -t. At first, I thought Boone was pitying Shannon, but ita seems to think it's the other way around. Either way, I didn't think it was a pity fuck. I thought it was, for Shannon, "I'm drunk and he wants me," and for Boone, "I can finally have her the way I want her."


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2005 7:34:38 am PST #4767 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As I said, I agree.

I wasn't disagreeing with your agreeing. Just clarifying my point.

"I can finally have her the way I want her."

In my pity-fuck scenario, that's precisely what the pitied party thinks.

Shannon's been drunk around Boone wanting her before, I bet. I think she was shutting him up, trying to cover over what he just learnt.

For her peace and future opportunity, though.


le nubian - Jan 13, 2005 7:34:55 am PST #4768 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Given that she was drunk and she came to him after Brian took her "half" of the money, I'm not sure I'd call it a pity fuck either.

However, she definitely had ulterior motives for fucking him. It wasn't just the "drunk fuck."

Exactly how many different fucks can we come up with?


Kate P. - Jan 13, 2005 7:35:10 am PST #4769 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

What if he saw her being brought into the station by Marshall Shrap and managed to overhear a few tidbits of why she was there.

Ooh, I like this theory.

Shannon depended on being able to manipulate Boone, and he had finally caught on to how she was doing so, so she added a new way.

Yeah, this was how I saw it, too.


-t - Jan 13, 2005 7:35:27 am PST #4770 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Huh. I didn't see pity fuck at all. Just manipulation and asserting her power in the relationship. I have yet to see Shannon take Boone's emotional state into account in any decision.

I was not skeeved by the relief only because that was obviously what he must say to advance the plot. He's probably wished a million times that she would just disappear for good.


Scrappy - Jan 13, 2005 7:41:18 am PST #4771 of 10000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Boone's that dangerous thing, a weak person who thinks he's strong, so the only way for him to get away from her stronger will is for her to disappear. I think HE thinks he's made a great leap forward, but he just exchanged Shannon for Locke, as far as I can see.


Nutty - Jan 13, 2005 7:43:51 am PST #4772 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The funny thing about Boone is that he has practically zero agency. He's been stuck in a dyad with Snickerbitch, where she leads him around by the nose; he works for his mother; he gloms onto Locke and becomes his pet project; the Island Voodoo casts him initially as a valiant savior/protector, only for him to fail. He doesn't even fight the invisimechasaurs -- they just snap the girl up behind him. As far as can be told, he still doesn't know what the invisimechasaurs look like.

And after that transformative Island Voodoo vision? Still zero agency. Now he's stuck in a dyad with Locke instead of Shannon, and he's still the lesser partner -- moreso, now.

He seemed vaguely aware that he was playing out a role, in his Shannon-chasing. Stuck, but aware he was stuck, and the bitch of his own stuckness. I don't think he has any idea that he has vision quested himself out of the frying pan and into the fire.

eta: Whoa! Psych 101 x-post with the Scrappy one!


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 13, 2005 8:06:34 am PST #4773 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

However, she definitely had ulterior motives for fucking him. It wasn't just the "drunk fuck."

Didn't anyone else think "Well, THAT makes damn sure that he won't be running to Mommy to tell her how Shannon hoodwinked him out of money!"?


Deena - Jan 13, 2005 8:15:57 am PST #4774 of 10000
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I think she was shutting him up, trying to cover over what he just learnt.

For her peace and future opportunity, though.

Yeah, I guess we define pity fuck differently. I don't see her actually pitying him, or if she does, letting that determine how she uses him.

Didn't anyone else think "Well, THAT makes damn sure that he won't be running to Mommy to tell her how Shannon hoodwinked him out of money!"?

Yes. That's pretty much what she said the next morning. We go back, you tell Mommy you rescued me, just like always.