I would just like to point out how tickled I am by the fact that this show's main character's name is Jack, and that the plane's point of origin was Sydney.
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Jessica - Oct 25, 2004 6:51:04 am PDT #469 of 10000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
Dana - Oct 25, 2004 6:51:40 am PDT #470 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Soon Jacks will dominate fandom.
Sean K - Oct 25, 2004 6:53:41 am PDT #471 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I would just like to point out how tickled I am by the fact that this show's main character's name is Jack, and that the plane's point of origin was Sydney.
I'm thinking this is not unintentional.
Steph L. - Oct 25, 2004 6:58:22 am PDT #472 of 10000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated
In Beetlejuice, we knew that the main characters were dead, and there was still some tension in the story.
That's because they were very clearly presented as dead, as soon as it happened (something that has not, IMO, been done here)
Plus, there were dead folk in episode 1, when the survivors were roaming around in their shell-shocked state. If the survivors are dead, too, what does that makes the not-walking-around dead passengers? Massively dead?
Soon Jacks will dominate fandom.
Ah, the Era of Will is over....
Topic!Cindy - Oct 25, 2004 7:03:09 am PDT #473 of 10000
What is even happening?
Those are not punishments for sins, or problems for dead people, those are all very clearly delineated problems of the living.
But that's in *your* mind. Do you see what I mean? I actually don't think this is going to be a purgatory story, but it's too early to make a judgment like the one above, because we really don't understand the rules of their universe, and if it even is a separate universe.
Taking what are clearly delineated problems of the living, in your mind/our world, and defining them as such in a 'verse we don't yet know, is akin to saying during S1 Buffy, that Angel couldn't be a vampire, because he didn't sleep in a coffin. My only point was that ruling out* a purgatory story, because it doesn't jibe with the a common cultural definition of such a thing, doesn't make sense, when we really don't yet know their rules.
*edited to clarify...
I do not even mean "ruling them out," just judging that it would be a cheat. We are not yet working with anything close to a fully fleshed out mythology.
Nutty - Oct 25, 2004 7:06:25 am PDT #474 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I'm still waiting for one of these Amazing Jacks to have a last name like Czarnowski.
Also waiting for the show to pull a full Swiss Family Robinson so that Charlie can ride up to camp one day on the back of a tamed ostrich.
DCJensen - Oct 25, 2004 7:11:07 am PDT #475 of 10000
All is well that ends in pizza.
Maybe one of the other characters will be from Bristow, California.
Jessica - Oct 25, 2004 7:15:16 am PDT #476 of 10000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
Also waiting for the show to pull a full Swiss Family Robinson so that Charlie can ride up to camp one day on the back of a tamed ostrich.
That would be AWESOME. There should absolutely be ostriches.
Lee - Oct 25, 2004 7:15:26 am PDT #477 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Those are not punishments for sins, or problems for dead people, those are all very clearly delineated problems of the living.
But maybe the person being punished was Boone or Jack, and not Nameless Swimmer girl.
Sean K - Oct 25, 2004 7:27:00 am PDT #478 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
First let me clarify something:
Those are not punishments for sins, or problems for dead people, those are all very clearly delineated problems of the living.
But that's in *your* mind.
No, that's not just in my mind, Cindy, I was very specifically refering to in those stories (Dante's afterlife stories, and Beetlejuice). In Dante's poems, the pains and punisments people suffered were (as I understand it, more knowledgable people please correct me if I'm wrong) specific to their sins, and very much not real world problems, even though there was (I think) actual physical suffering involved. In Beetlejuice we were given problems for dead people to overcome. Neither of these things occured just in my mind, they were facts about the stories in question.
That being said....
Taking what are clearly delineated problems of the living, in your mind/our world, and defining them as such in a 'verse we don't yet know, is akin to saying during S1 Buffy, that Angel couldn't be a vampire, because he didn't sleep in a coffin.
I respectfully disagree. I can't judge what I would have thought about Angel in Buffy S1, because I didn't start watching until S3, but needing food, water, sleep, to not get gored by a boar, and to not die by shooting, drowning, or falling off a cliff are pretty clearly delineating some real world, not dead problems, and it's not doing that just in my mind.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's fine, but to me, that's pretty clearly anchoring the show in "not dead" territory, even if the mythology is not fully fleshed out yet (which I agree, it's not). I just am apparently more willing than you or le nubian to say that the show has textually ruled out a "they're dead" scenario, which I do actually feel the show has done.