When a roomful of smart reasonably sane people all say something doesn't make sense, I've found it's best not to mention that it made sense to me... just so I don't get that "she must be insane; keep her away from the children" look.

But since DebetEsse has spoken up, now I can say, yeah - that's what I thought Jack's father was saying, too. Chiming in takes much less courage than speaking up.

Oh, and - where was the polar bear Walt was supposedly reading about? It wasn't on the cover of that comic book.

But since DebetEsse has spoken up, now I can say, yeah - that's what I thought Jack's father was saying, too. Chiming in takes much less courage than speaking up.

I think I got the gist of it, but the words themselves didn't seem to support the gist, especially the "When you fail, you just don't have what it takes" business.

Oh, and - where was the polar bear Walt was supposedly reading about? It wasn't on the cover of that comic book.

Not the cover, the page before. The first shot of the comic book, there's a polar bear on the page for that split-second before Walt turns the page to reveal the Flash and Co.

It's on an interior page.

Also, isn't he supposed to be a lifeguard? He's let a woman drown and muffed up CPR on Rose. Worst lifeguard ever.

Word. I'm not quite clear how a sleep-deprived guy who's pushing forty and at least hasn't (yet) mentioned that he was a competitive swimmer in college is supposed to be better at it than a supposedly trained lifeguard in his twenties who's in good shape and probably much better rested.

Also, isn't he supposed to be a lifeguard? He's let a woman drown and muffed up CPR on Rose. Worst lifeguard ever.

My guess? Lifeguard at some swimming pool where he never got more than the merest training and then got the job through connections.

"Lifeguarding at a pool with all the hooks and preservers and short distances is a hell of a lot different than swimming against ocean currents, boy."

"I dunno, I used pull old "bullseye" Womprat out of the club pool back home, and he ain't more than..."

To me, it feels like everyone on the island (except Shannon) is becoming the opposite of what they were.

Jack, was a possible fuck-up as a Doctor. This was implied by his mother. On the island, he now has rescued a number of people and is the one everyone looks to for leadership.

Locke, was a cripple. He is now walking again. He was a dreamer who lived in his fantasy world. He's now meat-and-potatoes man.

Micheal, was an absent father. On the island, he's now Walt's only parent. Not saying he's a good one, yet, but at least he's present.

Boone, was a business owner, lifeguard, "god's gift" as described by Shannon. He's now the total incompetent who is getting increasingly frustrated by someone else's success.

Kate, the criminal. On the island, she's become the sheriff and even has the badge to go with it. Whether she is consciously seeking a path to redemption or it is being forced on her by the island, we don't know yet.

Charlie was a failed rock star with a horse habit. While he hasn't done anything of major signifiance yet, he has been successful in catching fish and contributing to the welfare of the group. Not a smashing success, but successful at something. Including being nice to pregnant ladies.

Sun and Jin appear to be an unhappily married couple. Jin appears oppressive, and Sun responds reluctantly to his orders. Yet everything he does is meant to protect and provide for Sun. His comment, "it's what a husband does" is given with a smile. He appears (to me) to be doing it out of love. I've gotten the feeling something is changing here, but we haven't seen enough of their story to know just what yet.

Sawyer, I can't put a finger on yet. We haven't seen any of his or Hurley's backstory to know what they were before they landed on the island.

Sayid, was in the Iraq military. How long ago, we don't know. There is a female in his past, we don't know the relationship, but it's obviously important to him. We do know he's the resident Professor. Not enough information to fit him into the "opposites" theory, yet.

And Shannon, she's shark bait.

To me, it feels like everyone on the island (except Shannon) is becoming the opposite of what they were.

Sail, I like this theory. I hadn't considered Michael's role, that's a good one. And Boone, too. I'm looking for more support for Opposite Land.

Oh, any spec on the letter Sawyer was reading? Someone somewhere thought it might be from someone he knows fighting in Iraq, maybe his last letter. And hey, that would add another to the list of people who've lost someone recently.

Sayid, was in the Iraq military. How long ago, we don't know.

Well, we know he fought in the Gulf War.

(Hi Ginger!)

"Lifeguarding at a pool with all the hooks and preservers and short distances is a hell of a lot different than swimming against ocean currents, boy."

"I dunno, I used pull old "bullseye" Womprat out of the club pool back home, and he ain't more than..."

Daniel, hee!

No, I have nothing of meatiness to add to this post. Except that Jack isn't boring me yet, I'm half in love with Sawyer's dimples, and somebody (I forget) made me jump when they referred to Locke as "the go-to guy," since one of Terry O'Quinn's lines in The Cutting Edge was referring to the D.B. Sweeney character as "the go-to-guy." It's all connected...

Well, we know he fought in the Gulf War.

I was unclear. I meant, is he still in it the Republican Guard, or is he now a civilian? What's his status?

"When you fail, you just don't have what it takes"

I didn't have any problem with his Dad's speech. I'd translate it as something like, "Don't try to be a hero because you'll fail, and you won't be able to take the disappointment of failure. It will crush you because you're not able to walk away from it and forget about it like I am. Taking care of people is too important to you."

I find it interesting how often people seem to say/believe something opposing to their core, on here. Charlie thinks he's a successful musician, though it's clear no one's ever heard of him. Jack doesn't think he has it in him to be a leader. Locke thinks he lives in the "real" world, and Jack's dad thought he could take failure, when it's pretty clear that you don't become an alcoholic (disclaimer: all genetic inclination aside, something of a generalization) because you're handling your life successfully and happily, nor do you blame your children when you're not able to be happy.

One thing that intrigued me was that Shannon (nasty creature, really ought to be shark bait) said she couldn't speak French. On the top of the mountain when it came to the crunch, she did it, but she didn't push herself forward. She doesn't seem to be in competition with anyone other than Boone.* She was aware of a limitation. I'd like them to redeem her, not make her nice, but at least make her interesting. So far, nsm. I'm just hoping that they're not cluesticking us as hard as usual and that there's something better coming.

*edit: Though she did get snippy/competitive with Kate when she said she was going up the mountain too.

"Don't try to be a hero because you'll fail, and you won't be able to take the disappointment of failure. It will crush you because you're not able to walk away from it and forget about it like I am. Taking care of people is too important to you."

See, another part of my confusion was whether he was saying to Jack, you, specifically, don't have what it takes, or he was saying to Jack that if one chooses to be a hero, he may not have what it takes. My initial reaction was the former, and I was all, "Way to be a good, supportive father, dude!" But the latter reading would suggest more of a "Way to keep your son from having a mental breakdown, dude!"

I find it interesting how often people seem to say/believe something opposing to their core, on here.

Ooh. Good one.