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Polter-Cow - Oct 24, 2004 10:58:47 am PDT #368 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean.

I think Gus is referring to our ability to grasp onto the smallest detail and extrapolate an inconceivable amount of information from it.

even the "light, comma, 'Sticks'" bit make me think that Sawyer's probably a lot more book-smart than he lets on.

Yeah, my friend remarked, "Ooh, he knows what a comma is!"


Anne W. - Oct 24, 2004 11:01:01 am PDT #369 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I think Gus is referring to our ability to grasp onto the smallest detail and extrapolate an inconceivable amount of information from it.

Yeah. That's half the fun, innit? Still, from what we know of the character as portrayed, I would have expected to see him reading, say, a Tom Clancy novel rather than a novel about rabbit culture.


Gus - Oct 24, 2004 11:01:56 am PDT #370 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean.

Oh. I was reacting to the rabbits/Watership Downs connection.

Sawyer is verra smart. Doubt it not.


Polter-Cow - Oct 24, 2004 11:07:59 am PDT #371 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Sawyer is verra smart. Doubt it not.

My theory is he's reading the book so he can be one step ahead of the game. The rabbits will teach him an Important Lesson about how to initiate a Hostile Takeover of the island.


Consuela - Oct 24, 2004 11:16:09 am PDT #372 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Consensus there was Kate = Hyzenthlay. I haven't read the book in years, dammit. Must rectify

Hmm. I would hope that Kate would be more pro-active than that. Hyzenthlay doesn't appear until late in the novel and doesn't actually do much other than try to escape offscreen before Bigwig arrives, and then successfully escape with Bigwig. Most of the female rabbits don't play much of a role in the plot other than as quest-objects.

I like Sawyer as Bigwig because Bigwig isn't all that convinced of Hazel's leadership abilities early on. He does change his mind later, though, and becomes incredibly valuable.

I still like Locke as Fiver in the advisor/visionary role. It's not like these have to be perfect analogies (she says, contradicting her earlier point).


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 24, 2004 11:17:05 am PDT #373 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I bet Locke maps to Randall Flagg most readily by end of season.

The creators have described him as their Randall Flagg character, so I think that's a pretty sure bet. Though I don't know that he's necessarily going to be a conscious servant of evil. Between the magical empowerment by disastrous events and the fact that he has good motivation to oppose rescue, I think there are enough common features that a point-by-point parallel isn't necessary for them to make the comparison.

True, but Fred and Andrew in their own show...

I prefer the notion of Illyria and Andrew in their own show. Preferrably pre-"Time Bomb" Illyria so that once he sufficiently annoys her she can go back into the past and eradicate him from existence altogether.


Narrator - Oct 24, 2004 11:23:57 am PDT #374 of 10000
The evil is this way?

I prefer the notion of Illyria and Andrew in their own show. Preferrably pre-"Time Bomb" Illyria so that once he sufficiently annoys her she can go back into the past and eradicate him from existence altogether.

So, you're thinking miniseries, then


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 24, 2004 11:34:38 am PDT #375 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

They could do a series based on the changes that would cause in Buffy Seasons 6 and 7 with Illyria taking Andrew's place. Though the Nerd Trio might not be so easily dismissed.

Imagine how that "tiny kings" crack would have gone over in Flooded...


Sean K - Oct 24, 2004 11:49:11 am PDT #376 of 10000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

okay, I'll bite. Why does the notion that they may be in purgatory or something make you react so negatively?

Not Gus, but I feel very similarly to him so I'll respond as well.

It's terribly hackneyed, plus, them being dead sort of invalidates any and all conflict from the concept. What does anything matter if they're dead? They're dead!

And I'll say again, the text of the show does not, I think, support this premise. I can't accept an afterlife, even a purgatory, where the dead need food, water, can get injured by boars, or give birth to a child. To me, that's really kind of a six-year-old vison of an afterlife: "Will I be able to still eat fried chicken (or insert other favorite food here) in Heaven?" "If I get my leg cut off in an accident, will I get it back in Heaven?" "Will I be able to keep my dog (or other beloved pet) in Heaven?"

I still like Locke as Fiver in the advisor/visionary role. It's not like these have to be perfect analogies (she says, contradicting her earlier point).

I still think it's way too early to say that Locke will be an advisor to Jack. And I don't see Locke as a visionary at all. He's too much of a pragmatist. A meat and potatoes kind of guy, who doesn't believe in magic, even though he thinks the island is special in that regard.

In fact, I think this last episode, and Locke's interaction with Jack, strongly hint that, if they divide into two sides, Jack will be leading (in an army commander fashion) the "we need to get the hell out of here side," and Locke will lead (in a high-priest fashion) the "let's stay and worship the island" fashion.


le nubian - Oct 24, 2004 11:49:48 am PDT #377 of 10000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

If the creators have said that about Locke...then I can see him less as a force of evil like Flagg, and more as someone who wants to be worshipped - to whatever end.

BTW, I assumed that Sawyer was reading WD because he was bored shitless and there wasn't much out there else to read. I did not think he was trying to be strategic about it.