Also, also, I was grudgingly admiring of their willingness to kill 'im off.

Exactly. It takes major balls, and even while I was heartbroken, I thought, Boy, gotta give 'em credit for pulling the really hard punches. But with you on being grateful I don't have to anymore.

Bev, I came in when Ethan was punching Jack because of a PTA meeting, so I missed all of that. (And got a garbled synopsis via husband and son.)

and by hate I mean love.

Hee. Me, too.

Does Charlie have amnesia, or is he just freaked right the hell out. Like, "You saw what they did to me, what do you think Claire's chances are if we go after her?"

So are we assuming Ethan dragged off Charlie on his own, and the Others took Claire down the path Locke followed?

Oh, oh, I wonder if you're right. Which would mean that Locke didn't lose the trail after all.

Oh, dude, point.

And damn was that a fakeout or was that a fakeout? I don't know how possible it is either, but the whole time, I was shouting words of disbelief at the screen, and they weren't bringing him back. Damn.

The steel thing is totally a secret laboratory.

Javier G-M is the one who wrote the Sawyer episode, right? I didn't think this episode was...okay, I really can't separate my opinions of the episode from the environment anymore, I don't think. Because there were many good little things, but it's really hard to be engrossed in the show when there are three people in loud conversation bursting into laughter every few minutes.

I wonder if the bit about the red shirts was a TWoP shout-out, as someone did start a Red Shirt topic for the extras.

Possibly cereal:

I missed the Sayid/Sawyer reunion scene (theyaresoinlove), Beverly, but I'm going to go rewind right now.

If Ethan blindfolded Charlie, then dragged him off, he would'nt have much to remember. His eyes had a raw patch around them, so the blindfold might have been on a while. Or is that a suffocation thing?

I was feeling it too- that killing Charlie would be exactly the most perfect, horrible, horrible thing they could ever so I was admiring their guts.

But also, I was teary, screaming, and throwing things, thinking of how sad I'd be ever watching it again.

Yeah, I'm massively happy that Charlie isn't dead, but there is a part of me that was admiring them for killing him off, since he's one of the most beloved characters on the show, and regrets--just a teeny bit--that they undercut the effectiveness of that scene by bringing him back.

I agree with askye that Jack was supremely annoying in this episode, and that I hope he'll be taken to task at some point over his unwillingness to listen to others' advice.

Also, I have said it before and I'll say it again: I could not love Locke more no matter how hard I tried.

Jack giving up, then not giving up on Charlie=Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio in The Abyss. Both scenes had me in tears.

Yes, Michael went out to the south, but I think he took Steve and/or Scott with him, because there was somebody with him when he came back.

Walt said, "Brian. My other dad." So. Did Walt lose the stepfather when he lost his mom? And Michael has a Brian-shaped yardstick to measure up to, in Walt's eyes.

Can nobdy tell me about the conversation between Sawyer and Sayid?

However, this is the second time Jack has saved someone from the brink of death and I really really hope it doesn't happen again.

I was thinking Jack will think of this one as coincidental. He had given up. He was taking out his frustration on Charlie's body.

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Also, I think Ethan was totally going to off Charlie in the way that he did. I think the supposition that they were split up is intriguing, and likely. This is why Charlie knew nothing of Claire.

I hate sweeps cliffhangers. and by hate I mean love.

True words. I remember talking all summer about who shot J.R.

Running out the door again. I only saw the last 15 so I have to wait until tomorrow to see the beginning.

Well done.