Joyce ,'Same Time, Same Place'
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Jack snapping Uber-Bitch's neck. I could get into that.
Does that mean Shannon's going to start dating Locke right before?
I haven't really seen a Fiver, though I could see Sun or the kid going that way.
I was about to say, Walt would make a good Fiver, if you're Bigwigging Locke. The kid does have the spookiness about him, what with conjuring polar bears and controlling the weather.
Does that mean Shannon's going to start dating Locke right before?
P-C, spoilers go in the other thread.
Bigwigging Locke
No way. Locke is all Fiver, all day, every day.
Fiver, to me, has to have an intuitive feel about him, rather than a knowledgible-ness. I think Locke's wrong about the island, and Fiver would not be.
I haven't read WD (only seen the movie, and that very long ago), but just from the descriptions here in thread, I've been meaning to chime in that I really don't think Locke maps out to Fiver at all.
From 'Suela's descriptions earlier:
Fiver, his visionary brother. Small, incredibly insightful and brilliant but prone to flakage.
That description just dosn't fit Locke, for me. I don't see him as prone to flakage, nor do I see him as insightful (not the way I understand Fiver to be insightful). And, his prior handicap notwithstanding, he's not small or frail at all.
I think P-C's right, Walt maps out to Fiver much better.
Locke picked up on the strangeness of the island LONG before anyone else, in a way that seems to imply more than just practical know-how at play. Between that and his talk of destiny, sounds visionary to me.
I think P-C's right,
That is probably a phrase in one of those languages I don't speak.
Fiver is the advisor to the hero, the power behind the throne, in a non-Wormtounge kind of way.
Locke=Fiver. Taking all cash bets.
I think P-C's right, Walt maps out to Fiver much better.
I just want to give credit to DebetEsse for putting forth that idea first. She also suggested Sun, and I'd like her to expand on that, cause I don't really see it so much.
What are some other clues about Michael's relationship to Walt? It struck me when conflating the idea of "Walt's mother" with "Michael's wife" was questioned. Is he maybe only a stepfather? What were his lines about not being a part of his life until two weeks ago? I got the impression he and his wife were estranged, or maybe he'd actually just up and left when Walt was born.
That description just dosn't fit Locke, for me. I don't see him as prone to flakage, nor do I see him as insightful (not the way I understand Fiver to be insightful). And, his prior handicap notwithstanding, he's not small or frail at all.
Charlie, once he's off the smack, will be Fiver. When Claire was complaining people were afraid to look at her, Charlie told her, "I see you." There's the intuitiveness. Also, he's one of the smallest, can't swim, and slightly flakey (look at the bandages on his fingers, dude.)
Fiver is the advisor to the hero, the power behind the throne, in a non-Wormtounge kind of way.
It remains to be seen if this is, in fact, the position Locke takes up on the island (I'd say it's a little early for that, one conversation does not an advisor to the throne make).
It still remains that, even if this is the position that Locke ends up in, it is (as I see it) the only way in which Locke maps onto the traits of Fiver provided here.
Locke=Fiver. Taking all cash bets.
As long as that equals symbol is the precise symbol you want to use, I'll take that bet. Now we just have to agree on an amount for you to put in that envelope to send over to me.
I think P-C's right,
That is probably a phrase in one of those languages I don't speak.
I know, I could barely believe I'd uttered the phrase myself.
The funny thing about the WD parallels is that there are also a bunch of other rabbits with them who don't do much but follow the core group, just like the 31 nameless survivors on the island. (There aren't as many extra rabbits as there are extra survivors, and the extra rabbits did have names, but still, it's amusing.)
I can't see Kate as Hyzenthlay because I'm still holding out for Kate's crime to have been something truly horrific and punishment-worthy. I don't want her to be a political activist with a heart of gold, I want her to be a serial cannibal.