beathen, you are an evil taunter!

will not go over to Spoilers, will not, will not, nonononono

Thoughts on this week's Lost (1.05, White Rabbit), with occasional comments.

This was a good one. There were, I think many subtle clues we'll be looking back on later.

Loved Sawyer's line: "light, comma, 'Sticks'." Really, I'm loving Sawyer more and more, bit by bit.

Did anyone else notice that when Kate was separating the practical clothes from the impractical, some of the practical clothes she was folding were camouflage? I wonder who those belonged to.

(Heh, Kate is a fellow Gemini)

I loved Jack-Groupie!Charlie and Jack-Groupie!Hurley.

In the first flashback, with his mom, I noticed Jack doesn't seem to dress like a doctor, either. Two things mom said really stuck with me:

In reference to Jack's dad leaving: "Now why do you think that is?" seeming to imply a causative event. That, tied with her moments later: "Not after what you did," heavily implies that Jack was that very cause. I'm thinking that it probably ties in with his "counting to five" story, and that it has the unhappy ending we all seem to think it actually has.

Further, I think it was that Jack was maybe trying to finish his surgical residency, to prove to his dad that he "had what it takes," perhaps even at the very hospital his dad was Chief of Surgery (or whatever) at, which would give us a very direct cause-and-effect relationship between Jack, his not really being a doctor, the counting to five story, and his dad's disappearance. And of course, the botched surgery would also in turn finally convice Jack he didn't have what it takes, allowing him to say as much to Locke, after he pulled Jack off the cliff.

Locke's line about finding water: "I know where to look." Locke has already forme d a special relationship with the island, due to his "looking the island in the eye," encounter with Tree-Bending-Beastie. Now I think he's just waiting for everybody else to get with the program.

Jack's line: "Where are you," while chasing after his "white rabbit" dad is a direct echo of Charlie's "Where are we" (emphasis mine) from the end of 1.02.

SmakHedCharlieNPreggersClaire4EVAH!!!1!

Everybody commented on Sawyer's line: "I made this birthday wish four years ago," and pointed out the "four years," connection with Locke and his crippling injury, but did anybody else think that the way Sawyer said it seemed to imply that his birthday wish was not for a woman to fall on him, but for Kate? I wonder if they knew each other before the island. Does anybody remember anything textual from earlier episodes ruling that possibility out? (aside from Saywer not knowing it was Kate in the cuffs, which seems to be a pretty big contra-indicator)

Did anybody else notice that when Jack's dad walked past him in the night, by the campfire, he was accompanied by the sound of ice clinking in a tumbler?

DDK had two lines: (at the beginning) "I will tell you what to do." (and at the end) "That is what husbands do."

Especially because of those two lines, I don't think he and Sun are actually married.

There's the "it's been six days and we're all still waiting" line -- but I was mistaken, it was at night. Does that change anything?

Cranberry, you weren't mistaken. There was a line about "day six" at the beginning, after the rescue, in the daytime, and the one at the end, during Jack's speech, at night. So episode 1.05 took place entirely on day six, which I think means we're going to get episodes that cover mostly a day, at first, and then later on, it will broaden out to covering two or three days and ep, giving us the forty days over the course of the season.

I am just so. damned. chuffed that one of the heroes is a guy who is unattractively overweight. Not fat-for-Hollywood, but genuinely fat. And he's resourceful and intelligent and kind. Rock on.

Betsy, I love this too. Tangentially, I'm loving that they're doing something similar on Rescue Me. They've introduced a big girl, and she's not Renee Zellwegger/Bridget Jones (continued...)

( continues...) "big," she's a nice, normal world big girl, as a romantic interest for one of the firefighters, and he's falling for her hard. I hope they keep that up, because I for one would love to see a nice, healthy romance with a big girl on TV. It's about bloody fucking time, if you ask me.

Question: I agree that the plane that Jack found by the water looked an old one, with the way the foliage was growing out of it. What about the coffin though? Do people think it is a different coffin, from the one Jack's father was in, that just happened to be on the other plane that happened to crash on the island, or is it part of the wish fulfillment that is going on, or is something on the island collecting stuff from the crashes and storing in in the cave?

I'm not sure how it got there, but I'd say that was not a different coffin. Jack recognized it. What he expected to find in there, or what his reaction was supposed to mean, I don't know yet. But I do think that was his father's coffin.

Finally: I think there was one very telling bit that was shown to us tonight that, as far as I've noticed, no one commented on. I think it was a major clue as to what one of the major themes of the show is going to be.

When Charlie was talking to Claire in the tent, there was a visible tatoo on his left shoulder. It was a line from the song "Strawberry Fields," by the Beatles. And I don't think it was shown to us by accident:

"Living is easy with eyes closed"

GAH! Obnoxious double-double post.

Really not worth saying twice across two posts both times.

I'm betting that Jack killed or seriously injured someone 4 years ago (maybe spaghetti-spine kid, a story which sounds, IMO, significantly different knowing his father's take on surgery, all about detachment.).

I want the 7 extra secrets, but TV Guide doesn't print in Alaska.

Right now, Spoilers is all white font (cc: SailAweigh--you won't get spoiled on anything else, if you just stick to the following posts). beathen posted the remaining secrets here: beathen "Spoilers 3: First Mutant Enemy, Now the World" Oct 23, 2004 11:25:04 pm PDT and they continue here: beathen "Spoilers 3: First Mutant Enemy, Now the World" Oct 23, 2004 11:25:08 pm PDT Warning, these are TVGuide level spoilers, but if you read the first three at TVGuide online, you have an idea of what level of spoilage we're talking about.

When Charlie was talking to Claire in the tent, there was a visible tatoo on his left shoulder. It was a line from the song "Strawberry Fields," by the Beatles. And I don't think it was shown to us by accident

I believe that's Dom Monaghan's new tattoo, and he asked JJ to let him show it off on the show. I'm not totally sure, though -- you'd have to ask one of those crazy hobbit fangirls. (No offense intended to any crazy hobbit fangirls who are reading this.)

Sail, I went and looked at the TV Guide spoilers. I would rather not have known the last two.

I will not go look at the spoilers. I wish I could have done w'n'p last night, but alas, my cable modem decided that last night was the perfect time for a psychotic break.

Is it wrong that I want to take footage from Lost and make a video set to Jefferson Airplane doing "White Rabbit" now?

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

In Watership Down, is there one rabbit that is white?

In WD, the Big Rabbit in the Sky (forget the actual term they used) is actually black. Interesting, huh?

As for mapping characters onto the WD rabbits, I could see Charlie becoming the Dandelion equivalent.