You're wrong about River. River's not on the ship. They didn't want her here, but she couldn't make herself leave. So she melted... Melted away. They didn't know she could do that, but she did.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Vonnie K - Nov 11, 2004 6:19:40 am PST #2135 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I'd wriggle with wrathful glee if the writers had the nerve to create a character with a woobieful history and a world of pain who was still and all just plain fucked-up and unredeemed and unredeemable.

JZ is me. Please, writers, have Sawyer remain a jackhole. Despite my initial "Arr! Too gooey!" reaction to his back story, I've come around to thinking it was v. effective, because it made Sawyer's attitudes/actions *understandable* but in no way excusable. Plus, we have another character with a heartbreaking back story (Locke), who, far from being an woobie, manages to out-creep the epileptic trees.


JenP - Nov 11, 2004 6:26:35 am PST #2136 of 10000

I don't think the mysterious figure with the needles in next week's preview is from a flashback.

I don't know why I thought it was. Just assumed, I think. So looking forward to next week. It'd be cool to get a reveal of others on the island. Especially if, like, Sayid gets his memory wiped about it or something (OK, Alias creeping in again.)

I liked the ep, but I wasn't blown away. I was thinking the same thing about the scruff in the restaurant. Shave, dude. And then I started wondering how they're going to handle beard issues in the series. Are they all going to have castaway beards? Heh. I guess they'll just make the time go verrrrry slowly.


Nutty - Nov 11, 2004 6:28:40 am PST #2137 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I very much like the idea of a character who isn't likeable, doesn't want to be likeable, and frankly is perfectly comfortable stewing in his own misery thankyewverymuch.

You'll notice that Sawyer was pulling a long con (a swindle that requires days or weeks, and takes in a lot of money at once), and the vast majority of long-con scenarios require at least one partner. Sawyer was working totally alone.

So far, I don't think we've seen Sawyer take much from the emergent communities -- but eventually his plane-salvage stash will run out. The twist of the island is that he will be forced to depend on others, more and more. I'll be curious to see if he approaches this dependence as another con situation: rooking the community out of whatever he can get for as little as he can give.


Jessica - Nov 11, 2004 6:31:59 am PST #2138 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Has anyone mentioned that this was our first non-eye-beginning ep? I thought it was interesting that this was also the first ep where the backstory we thought we were getting turned out to be somebody else's. (Since we didn't really get Sawyer's backstory. We got NotSawyer's.)


Kate P. - Nov 11, 2004 6:35:54 am PST #2139 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

The whole scene was very Monkey Pants.

OMG yes! Because, as pointed out above, Charlie is totally Oz.

Despite my initial "Arr! Too gooey!" reaction to his back story, I've come around to thinking it was v. effective, because it made Sawyer's attitudes/actions *understandable* but in no way excusable.

Ooh, yeah, I like this way of thinking. Let's hear it for Unredeemed!Sawyer!


Kate P. - Nov 11, 2004 6:37:44 am PST #2140 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Has anyone mentioned that this was our first non-eye-beginning ep?

Is it? I thought Charlie's ep began with the hole in his guitar (which, okay, could still be eye-imagery), but didn't another of the early ones--Kate's, maybe--start with another image? I've missed the very beginnings of several, though, and didn't even know about the eye motif until it was pointed out here, so I could be wrong.


Polter-Cow - Nov 11, 2004 6:39:08 am PST #2141 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I thought Charlie's ep began with the hole in his guitar (which, okay, could still be eye-imagery), but didn't another of the early ones--Kate's, maybe--start with another image?

Correct on both counts, I believe. Definitely about Charlie's ep.


Kalshane - Nov 11, 2004 6:47:01 am PST #2142 of 10000
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I thought it was interesting that this was also the first ep where the backstory we thought we were getting turned out to be somebody else's. (Since we didn't really get Sawyer's backstory. We got NotSawyer's.)

I'm not sure what you mean here. The flashbacks were about the person on the island we know as Sawyer, who in turn had taken on the persona of a different con man named Sawyer. But the "Sawyer" in all the flashbacks was the "Sawyer" on the island.


JenP - Nov 11, 2004 6:54:16 am PST #2143 of 10000

Despite my initial "Arr! Too gooey!" reaction to his back story, I've come around to thinking it was v. effective, because it made Sawyer's attitudes/actions *understandable* but in no way excusable.

Exactly how I feel about it.


beathen - Nov 11, 2004 7:11:13 am PST #2144 of 10000
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

She was a reporter trying to interview Jasmine.

I think her character's name, if I'm thinking about the right person, was Tracy. Jasmine says, "Yes, Tracy, you have a question" and Tracy says, "you know my name?"

Are they all going to have castaway beards? Heh. I guess they'll just make the time go verrrrry slowly.

In one episode I saw Locke shaving with one of his knives ala Crocadile Dundee

I thought Charlie's ep began with the hole in his guitar (which, okay, could still be eye-imagery),

Maybe they're all running around in psychological circles in their mind...