Yeah Wolfram, and that's even sloppier, since Bilnah was Rachel's servant, and bore Dan and Naphtali sort of on Rachel's behalf.
Hell, I don't know. If I had wanted schooling, I'da gone to school.
Jayne ,'Ariel'
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Topic!Cindy - Nov 16, 2004 11:01:24 am PST #798 of 3301
What is even happening?
Wolfram - Nov 16, 2004 11:02:56 am PST #799 of 3301
Visilurking
That's right. In fact, Rachel names them.
Topic!Cindy - Nov 16, 2004 11:08:01 am PST #800 of 3301
What is even happening?
We storm the publisher at midnight. I'll bring the torches. You bring the law books (biblical and secular)!
Wolfram - Nov 16, 2004 11:29:55 am PST #801 of 3301
Visilurking
But who's going to bring the assortment of farming implements? I can't really mob well without them.
Connie Neil - Nov 16, 2004 12:40:59 pm PST #802 of 3301
brillig
I thought they were all sisters!
Topic!Cindy - Nov 16, 2004 2:15:38 pm PST #803 of 3301
What is even happening?
The farming instruments, or the law books?
Connie Neil - Nov 16, 2004 3:14:55 pm PST #804 of 3301
brillig
The mothers of the sons. The women Dinah refers to as her mothers.
Hil R. - Nov 16, 2004 3:25:05 pm PST #805 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
The mothers of the sons. The women Dinah refers to as her mothers.
Rachel and Leah are sisters. Bilhah and Zilpah are their maids. (I think Diamante makes them the daughters of one of Laban's other wives, but I can't find any justification for that in the bible.)
Connie Neil - Nov 16, 2004 3:28:04 pm PST #806 of 3301
brillig
Bilhah and Zilpah are their maids
Huh. Which makes sense of the serious dissing of Jacob marrying some of the sisters and turning the others into concubines. I liked that Jacob and Leah have a passionate, physically happy marriage while he and Rachel have another sort. All the Bible interpretatons make Leah out to be some dried up shrew.
Katerina Bee - Nov 18, 2004 9:44:10 am PST #807 of 3301
Herding cats for fun
I do enjoy the sort of story that examines what could have been going on alongside the official recorded version of events. It provides me with a 3-D effect somehow.
My re-read is only up to Part II, but I don't remember thinking that the men had been universally vilified, though I surely did dislike Laban throughout, and (whozzizface) and (brother) when they were getting revenge for the family honor by slaughtering everybody. It seemed so wasteful and pigheaded.
Re: Blood rituals: the menarche ritual didn't bother me, it was much more benign than cutting someone's throat to bless the fields. Kinda gross, sure, but so is wearing woolen clothing with no showers or Arrid Extra-Dry.